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  • C Christian Graus

    ihoecken wrote:

    That they aren't legal because of many dead

    That is not true. For example, dope is not legal, I can't imagine anyone dying as a result of using dope. Tobacco is legal, the health costs of tobacco smoking must come into the billions. The reasons why some drugs are legal and some are not are very complex. And the majority of drug related deaths are not caused by drugs per se, but by what dealers cut them with ( or simply inconsistent supply ).

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    Christian Graus wrote:

    I can't imagine anyone dying as a result of using dope

    Then your imagination is seriously limited.

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      ihoecken wrote:

      That they aren't legal because of many dead

      That is not true. For example, dope is not legal, I can't imagine anyone dying as a result of using dope. Tobacco is legal, the health costs of tobacco smoking must come into the billions. The reasons why some drugs are legal and some are not are very complex. And the majority of drug related deaths are not caused by drugs per se, but by what dealers cut them with ( or simply inconsistent supply ).

      Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog

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      Christian Graus wrote:

      I can't imagine anyone dying as a result of using dope.

      It would probably be less insidious if it did kill.

      Thank God for disproportional force.

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        Christian Graus wrote:

        I can't imagine anyone dying as a result of using dope

        By the way, a cousin of mine died because of dope. He had an accident while being doped and because his brain was damaged by the drugs the doctors weren't able to awake hime out of coma.

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        ihoecken wrote:

        He had an accident while being doped and because his brain was damaged by the drugs the doctors weren't able to awake hime out of coma.

        I'm sorry to hear that, but I'm sure it was the accident, not the dope, that put him in a coma. BTW, I do not use drugs, not even alcohol. But, as a matter of fact, people die from using heroin because of impure supply, legalising it would stop people from dying of overdoses. They overdose because they never know how strong the drug is, or what it's cut with.

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          Christian Graus wrote:

          I can't imagine anyone dying as a result of using dope

          Then your imagination is seriously limited.

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          Christian Graus
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          Really ? I still doubt it. I'd love to see stats on people dying of a marijuana overdose.

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          • C Christian Graus

            ihoecken wrote:

            He had an accident while being doped and because his brain was damaged by the drugs the doctors weren't able to awake hime out of coma.

            I'm sorry to hear that, but I'm sure it was the accident, not the dope, that put him in a coma. BTW, I do not use drugs, not even alcohol. But, as a matter of fact, people die from using heroin because of impure supply, legalising it would stop people from dying of overdoses. They overdose because they never know how strong the drug is, or what it's cut with.

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            Christian Graus wrote:

            I'm sorry to hear that, but I'm sure it was the accident, not the dope, that put him in a coma.

            Right, he felt in coma because of the accident, but his brain was damaged by the drugs so that they couldn't wake him up again.

            Christian Graus wrote:

            BTW, I do not use drugs, not even alcohol.

            Me too. I don't drink, smoke or use any drugs except for chocolate :)

            Christian Graus wrote:

            But, as a matter of fact, people die from using heroin because of impure supply, legalising it would stop people from dying of overdoses. They overdose because they never know how strong the drug is, or what it's cut with.

            I'm not sure if that is true. A friend of mine is working as a social worker for junkies (alcohol and drugs). She said that junkies begin with small doses and that they grow. It's a question of time until they take overdoses, because they need more every time. For Opium I know that many suffered a sore death when it was legal. Look at those who use heroin for many years. They are fading and they'll die no matter if they take an overdose or not. Regards, Ingo

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              Christian Graus wrote:

              I'm sorry to hear that, but I'm sure it was the accident, not the dope, that put him in a coma.

              Right, he felt in coma because of the accident, but his brain was damaged by the drugs so that they couldn't wake him up again.

              Christian Graus wrote:

              BTW, I do not use drugs, not even alcohol.

              Me too. I don't drink, smoke or use any drugs except for chocolate :)

              Christian Graus wrote:

              But, as a matter of fact, people die from using heroin because of impure supply, legalising it would stop people from dying of overdoses. They overdose because they never know how strong the drug is, or what it's cut with.

              I'm not sure if that is true. A friend of mine is working as a social worker for junkies (alcohol and drugs). She said that junkies begin with small doses and that they grow. It's a question of time until they take overdoses, because they need more every time. For Opium I know that many suffered a sore death when it was legal. Look at those who use heroin for many years. They are fading and they'll die no matter if they take an overdose or not. Regards, Ingo

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              Christian Graus
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              ihoecken wrote:

              A friend of mine is working as a social worker for junkies (alcohol and drugs). She said that junkies begin with small doses and that they grow. It's a question of time until they take overdoses, because they need more every time.

              No, you've got it wrong. You're right - the body gets accustomed to a drug and so you need more to get a hit. But as the body is accustomed, that doesn't cause overdoses. What causes an overdose usually is a supply of a pure drug. If heroin is sometimes pure, and sometimes cut 50% with something, it's not hard to see why it would be hard to work out a dosage.

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