Crime is Bush's fault
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metrosexuals?
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45 "Liberals do not exist. You invented them to facilitate your strawman arguments." -dennisd45 "The Communist Manifest was written 150 years ago. It has been rigorously tested and is accepted by left"
espeir wrote:
metrosexuals?
Yeah, metrosexual[^]. The bloody word of the millenium for the New York Times. Total stupidity. :rolleyes:
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thealj wrote:
1. Drive crime more underground
Probably true for non-violent crimes like drug use, but less true for crimes like burglary, armed robbery, and assault. I think increased police presence does actually reduce violent crime, but mostly by...
thealj wrote:
2. Move crime elsewhere (as in relocation)
Yes, moving it elsewhere. That's why I don't think it's an acceptable solution.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Yes, moving it elsewhere. That's why I don't think it's an acceptable solution.
I agree with you. I think it is more productive to look at the economic aspects of crime rather than increasing police presence. Nonetheless, it's obviously a complicated issue.
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espeir wrote:
metrosexuals?
Yeah, metrosexual[^]. The bloody word of the millenium for the New York Times. Total stupidity. :rolleyes:
I know what a metrosexual is. I just didn't think of it as a "group" like the others in your list.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45 "Liberals do not exist. You invented them to facilitate your strawman arguments." -dennisd45 "The Communist Manifest was written 150 years ago. It has been rigorously tested and is accepted by left"
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I know what a metrosexual is. I just didn't think of it as a "group" like the others in your list.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45 "Liberals do not exist. You invented them to facilitate your strawman arguments." -dennisd45 "The Communist Manifest was written 150 years ago. It has been rigorously tested and is accepted by left"
espeir wrote:
I know what a metrosexual is. I just didn't think of it as a "group" like the others in your list.
Oh, I see. Well somebody obviously coined it to differentiate themselves from others. You could argue it's a marketing campaign, but stick a title out there and somebody will eventually claim it.
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David Kentley wrote:
You are right that it does not "necessarily" breed crime, in that there are (of course) honest poor people. As if that even needed to be stated. However, poverty does breed desperation, and you get enough desperate people crowded together in a tight area (as is usually the case) and someone is going to snap. The vast majority are innocent, but it does not take many malcontents to completely disrupt an area.
Crime is rarely the result of people "snapping" but of people with poor character who want the quick and easy. That's why the vast majority of crime is committed by young people.
David Kentley wrote:
Dammit, then you go off into the loony bin again. Yes, I am sure divorce, abortion and sex has caused all sorts of violent crime, and that it had nothing to do at all with the deterioration of inner cities and the sudden increase in drug culture that happened at the time.
Actually the deterioration of inner cities can be directly tied back to the breakdown of the family unit, but that's the result of another liberal political policy (welfare). Nearly 90% of all inner city black children are now born to mothers out of wedlock, reinforcing my point that if you're simply bad (often the result of being poorly raised) then you're going to commit crime. Liberal social policy encourages bad parenting.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45 "Liberals do not exist. You invented them to facilitate your strawman arguments." -dennisd45 "The Communist Manifest was written 150 years ago. It has been rigorously tested and is accepted by left"
espeir wrote:
Crime is rarely the result of people "snapping" but of people with poor character who want the quick and easy. That's why the vast majority of crime is committed by young people.
I think we pretty much agree. It's just that people in poor situations will be put to the test much more frequently than people with more comfortable lives. I believe most everyone, regardless of class standing, would pass when tested. Unfortunately, it doesn't take many failures to ruin entire areas, or at the very least the perception of an area.
espeir wrote:
Nearly 90% of all inner city black children are now born to mothers out of wedlock, reinforcing my point that if you're simply bad (often the result of being poorly raised) then you're going to commit crime. Liberal social policy encourages bad parenting.
And yet crime continues to fall. I think you're confusing symptoms and causes.
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
What part of "it's not a solution I agree with" didn't you understand?
I missed that part. But I find it odd it would not be a solution you agree with despite believing it works. I guess supporting a higher murder rate (like terrorism) is a justifiable expense in order to ensure that the government doesn't take away your weed garden.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
I imagine when someone asks you for the time, you tell them instead how the tyrannical oligarchy at the International Bureau of Weights and Measures is part of a leftist plot to subvert time and assume control of the world's clocks, and only by putting it to a community vote is there hope for true Jeffersonian time to prevail.
I'll leave out the obvious irony with regards to Ben Franklin. :)
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45 "Liberals do not exist. You invented them to facilitate your strawman arguments." -dennisd45 "The Communist Manifest was written 150 years ago. It has been rigorously tested and is accepted by left"
espeir wrote:
I missed that part. But I find it odd it would not be a solution you agree with despite believing it works.
It doesn't scale in a good way. It's a local solution only, a band-aid, and works mostly by relocating the crime. I'll take an educated and well-armed populace over a police state any day.
espeir wrote:
I guess supporting a higher murder rate (like terrorism) is a justifiable expense
So you would prefer a police state?
espeir wrote:
to ensure that the government doesn't take away your weed garden.
You seem to be obsessed by weed. Were your parents hippies? Did you watch "Reefer Madness" too many times in college at your Young Republican/Hitler Youth meetings? Is that what made you this way?
espeir wrote:
I'll leave out the obvious irony with regards to Ben Franklin.
Leave it to you to both miss the point and prove it in a single sentence.
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espeir wrote:
I know what a metrosexual is. I just didn't think of it as a "group" like the others in your list.
Oh, I see. Well somebody obviously coined it to differentiate themselves from others. You could argue it's a marketing campaign, but stick a title out there and somebody will eventually claim it.
My understanding is that it was a marketing campaign and that last year the same company came up with some new "super-macho-man" campaign. Regardless, I always have the urge to punch metrosexuals when I see them. Perhaps I should start a special interest group.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45 "Liberals do not exist. You invented them to facilitate your strawman arguments." -dennisd45 "The Communist Manifest was written 150 years ago. It has been rigorously tested and is accepted by left"
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My understanding is that it was a marketing campaign and that last year the same company came up with some new "super-macho-man" campaign. Regardless, I always have the urge to punch metrosexuals when I see them. Perhaps I should start a special interest group.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45 "Liberals do not exist. You invented them to facilitate your strawman arguments." -dennisd45 "The Communist Manifest was written 150 years ago. It has been rigorously tested and is accepted by left"
espeir wrote:
Regardless, I always have the urge to punch metrosexuals when I see them. Perhaps I should start a special interest group.
I'll join.
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espeir wrote:
I missed that part. But I find it odd it would not be a solution you agree with despite believing it works.
It doesn't scale in a good way. It's a local solution only, a band-aid, and works mostly by relocating the crime. I'll take an educated and well-armed populace over a police state any day.
espeir wrote:
I guess supporting a higher murder rate (like terrorism) is a justifiable expense
So you would prefer a police state?
espeir wrote:
to ensure that the government doesn't take away your weed garden.
You seem to be obsessed by weed. Were your parents hippies? Did you watch "Reefer Madness" too many times in college at your Young Republican/Hitler Youth meetings? Is that what made you this way?
espeir wrote:
I'll leave out the obvious irony with regards to Ben Franklin.
Leave it to you to both miss the point and prove it in a single sentence.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
So you would prefer a police state?
No, because I disagree with you in that I don't think a larger police would make a substanial difference in crime, unless taken to extremes. I think a police force should be large enough to respond to crimes, not to prevent them. I just find it odd that you think increasing the police for would be effective, yet you would be against it. A well-armed and moral society (which requires morality instilled at a young age) is the key to low crime.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
You seem to be obsessed by weed. Were your parents hippies? Did you watch "Reefer Madness" too many times in college at your Young Republican/Hitler Youth meetings? Is that what made you this way?
I just have the sneaking suspicion that your "libertarian" stance comes from your fear of having your weed taken away. The libertarian party was pretty much founded on this concern.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Leave it to you to both miss the point and prove it in a single sentence.
I got your point, but you clearly missed mine.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45 "Liberals do not exist. You invented them to facilitate your strawman arguments." -dennisd45 "The Communist Manifest was written 150 years ago. It has been rigorously tested and is accepted by left"
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link[^] As is always the case, the mainstream media has adopted the Democratic pre-election platform:
The slaying of the 20-year-old mother -- on a narrow street behind a police
station in Boston's poor Roxbury district last month -- is one of the shocking
examples of a rise in the murder rate across the United States that is raising
questions about whether police are fighting terrorism at the expense of
crime.It goes on to further blame Bush for fewer cops on the street...as if that's the federal government's role. But beyond the obvious political slant of this article, when did the presence of police become the deterrent for crime? Why would police be a deterrent, but the possession of firearms by law-abiding citizens cause crime (as also suggested)? If you ask me, crime is simply the result of bad people. Poverty does not necessarily breed crime, as there are numerous honest poor people. Guns don't breed crime as there are numerous guns held by law abiding people. The presence of police only deters crime when the criminal-to-be fears their immediate presence (and will commit a crime when the opportunity arises). Interestingly enough, if you look at American murder statistics, there's a pivot points in the late 1960's. Before then murder rates were consistently very low and afterwards they were high. I'm sure it's more than coincidence that this point in US history marked the rapid increase in divorce, abortion and moral permisiveness.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45 "Liberals do not exist. You invented them to facilitate your strawman arguments." -dennisd45 "The Communist Manifest was written 150 years ago. It has been rigorously tested and is accepted by left"
espeir wrote:
a pivot points in the late 1960's. Before then murder rates were consistently very low and afterwards they were high. I'm sure it's more than coincidence that this point in US history marked the rapid increase in divorce, abortion and moral permisiveness.
In the 1960s is also when praying and bible reading was taken out of schools.
A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. - Sigmund Freud
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
So you would prefer a police state?
No, because I disagree with you in that I don't think a larger police would make a substanial difference in crime, unless taken to extremes. I think a police force should be large enough to respond to crimes, not to prevent them. I just find it odd that you think increasing the police for would be effective, yet you would be against it. A well-armed and moral society (which requires morality instilled at a young age) is the key to low crime.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
You seem to be obsessed by weed. Were your parents hippies? Did you watch "Reefer Madness" too many times in college at your Young Republican/Hitler Youth meetings? Is that what made you this way?
I just have the sneaking suspicion that your "libertarian" stance comes from your fear of having your weed taken away. The libertarian party was pretty much founded on this concern.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Leave it to you to both miss the point and prove it in a single sentence.
I got your point, but you clearly missed mine.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45 "Liberals do not exist. You invented them to facilitate your strawman arguments." -dennisd45 "The Communist Manifest was written 150 years ago. It has been rigorously tested and is accepted by left"
espeir wrote:
The libertarian party was pretty much founded on this concern.
what? the libertarian party stance may be permissive in this regard but the same is true of small government conservatives. check out Buckly's opinion on the subject.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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espeir wrote:
The libertarian party was pretty much founded on this concern.
what? the libertarian party stance may be permissive in this regard but the same is true of small government conservatives. check out Buckly's opinion on the subject.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
I think Libertarians have somewhat diversified their stance to something that resembles compulsory anarchy. However, if you go back to the earlier days of the Libertarian Party, legalizing pot was their primary platform. I saw a live political debate for a local office when I was 18 or so and the Libertarian candidate literally reframed every issue into pot. It was pretty funny.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45 "Liberals do not exist. You invented them to facilitate your strawman arguments." -dennisd45 "The Communist Manifest was written 150 years ago. It has been rigorously tested and is accepted by left"
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
So you would prefer a police state?
No, because I disagree with you in that I don't think a larger police would make a substanial difference in crime, unless taken to extremes. I think a police force should be large enough to respond to crimes, not to prevent them. I just find it odd that you think increasing the police for would be effective, yet you would be against it. A well-armed and moral society (which requires morality instilled at a young age) is the key to low crime.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
You seem to be obsessed by weed. Were your parents hippies? Did you watch "Reefer Madness" too many times in college at your Young Republican/Hitler Youth meetings? Is that what made you this way?
I just have the sneaking suspicion that your "libertarian" stance comes from your fear of having your weed taken away. The libertarian party was pretty much founded on this concern.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Leave it to you to both miss the point and prove it in a single sentence.
I got your point, but you clearly missed mine.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45 "Liberals do not exist. You invented them to facilitate your strawman arguments." -dennisd45 "The Communist Manifest was written 150 years ago. It has been rigorously tested and is accepted by left"
espeir wrote:
No, because I disagree with you in that I don't think a larger police would make a substanial difference in crime, unless taken to extremes. I think a police force should be large enough to respond to crimes, not to prevent them. I just find it odd that you think increasing the police for would be effective, yet you would be against it.
You can disagree with me all you want, but it remains a fact that increased police presence results in a corresponding decrease in violent crime. Non-violent crimes go underground, violent crimes go elsewhere, everyone in that community is happy, those in neighboring communities, not so much. Do you also find it odd that someone would consider a tourniquet to be an effective way of keeping an injured person from bleeding to death, while at the same time discarding it as a viable long-term solution?
espeir wrote:
A well-armed and moral society (which requires morality instilled at a young age) is the key to low crime.
I imagine you quietly humming "Onward, Christian Soldiers" to yourself as you typed that sentence. An educated, moral, ethical, and compassionate society is the key to low crime. If you have those, you don't need to be well-armed.
espeir wrote:
I just have the sneaking suspicion that your "libertarian" stance comes from your fear of having your weed taken away. The libertarian party was pretty much founded on this concern.
And the weed obsession continues...
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espeir wrote:
No, because I disagree with you in that I don't think a larger police would make a substanial difference in crime, unless taken to extremes. I think a police force should be large enough to respond to crimes, not to prevent them. I just find it odd that you think increasing the police for would be effective, yet you would be against it.
You can disagree with me all you want, but it remains a fact that increased police presence results in a corresponding decrease in violent crime. Non-violent crimes go underground, violent crimes go elsewhere, everyone in that community is happy, those in neighboring communities, not so much. Do you also find it odd that someone would consider a tourniquet to be an effective way of keeping an injured person from bleeding to death, while at the same time discarding it as a viable long-term solution?
espeir wrote:
A well-armed and moral society (which requires morality instilled at a young age) is the key to low crime.
I imagine you quietly humming "Onward, Christian Soldiers" to yourself as you typed that sentence. An educated, moral, ethical, and compassionate society is the key to low crime. If you have those, you don't need to be well-armed.
espeir wrote:
I just have the sneaking suspicion that your "libertarian" stance comes from your fear of having your weed taken away. The libertarian party was pretty much founded on this concern.
And the weed obsession continues...
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
You can disagree with me all you want, but it remains a fact that increased police presence results in a corresponding decrease in violent crime. Non-violent crimes go underground, violent crimes go elsewhere, everyone in that community is happy, those in neighboring communities, not so much. Do you also find it odd that someone would consider a tourniquet to be an effective way of keeping an injured person from bleeding to death, while at the same time discarding it as a viable long-term solution?
They teach this in psych 101. Deterents such as the police are only effective so long as there is a belief that there is an immediate police presence. As such, there would have to be a substantial increase (not even doubling or tripling) of the police force in an area to see any noticable decrease in crime. Violent crime doesn't necessarily migrate and there's no evidence of that.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
I imagine you quietly humming "Onward, Christian Soldiers" to yourself as you typed that sentence. An educated, moral, ethical, and compassionate society is the key to low crime. If you have those, you don't need to be well-armed.
Education does not correlate to low crime. If that were the case, then prior to the 20th century there would have been limitless crime and the opposite is true. Moral erosion causes crime. Being well-armed discourages criminal from risking their life. That is constant throughout history.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
And the weed obsession continues...
I call 'em like I see 'em. I'll bet you're high right now.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45 "Liberals do not exist. You invented them to facilitate your strawman arguments." -dennisd45 "The Communist Manifest was written 150 years ago. It has been rigorously tested and is accepted by left"
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espeir wrote:
a pivot points in the late 1960's. Before then murder rates were consistently very low and afterwards they were high. I'm sure it's more than coincidence that this point in US history marked the rapid increase in divorce, abortion and moral permisiveness.
In the 1960s is also when praying and bible reading was taken out of schools.
A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. - Sigmund Freud
Score: 1.0 (3 votes). wrote:
In the 1960s is also when praying and bible reading was taken out of schools.
The 1960s also included civil rights, equal rights for women, and the Peace Corps. Should we roll them all back? Do you think national disillusionment brought on by a presidential assassination, as well asyoung men drafted before they could vote and sent to fight a war of questionable justification, might have been factors as well? Do you think the matter might just be a tad more complex than "no Bibles in school"?
Score: 1.0 (3 votes). wrote:
A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.
Yeah, and obsession with weapons is a sign of overcompensation. Freud had issues.
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Score: 1.0 (3 votes). wrote:
In the 1960s is also when praying and bible reading was taken out of schools.
The 1960s also included civil rights, equal rights for women, and the Peace Corps. Should we roll them all back? Do you think national disillusionment brought on by a presidential assassination, as well asyoung men drafted before they could vote and sent to fight a war of questionable justification, might have been factors as well? Do you think the matter might just be a tad more complex than "no Bibles in school"?
Score: 1.0 (3 votes). wrote:
A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.
Yeah, and obsession with weapons is a sign of overcompensation. Freud had issues.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
The 1960s also included civil rights, equal rights for women, and the Peace Corps. Should we roll them all back? Do you think national disillusionment brought on by a presidential assassination, as well asyoung men drafted before they could vote and sent to fight a war of questionable justification, might have been factors as well? Do you think the matter might just be a tad more complex than "no Bibles in school"?
It is clearly more complex and includes all the facets of the left-wing cultural expansion. Presidents and wars existed before the 1960's and had no such influence.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45 "Liberals do not exist. You invented them to facilitate your strawman arguments." -dennisd45 "The Communist Manifest was written 150 years ago. It has been rigorously tested and is accepted by left"
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Score: 1.0 (3 votes). wrote:
In the 1960s is also when praying and bible reading was taken out of schools.
The 1960s also included civil rights, equal rights for women, and the Peace Corps. Should we roll them all back? Do you think national disillusionment brought on by a presidential assassination, as well asyoung men drafted before they could vote and sent to fight a war of questionable justification, might have been factors as well? Do you think the matter might just be a tad more complex than "no Bibles in school"?
Score: 1.0 (3 votes). wrote:
A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.
Yeah, and obsession with weapons is a sign of overcompensation. Freud had issues.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Do you think the matter might just be a tad more complex than "no Bibles in school"?
I never said i thought otherwise.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Yeah, and obsession with weapons is a sign of overcompensation. Freud had issues.
Thanks for clearing that up for me. :rolleyes:
A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. - Sigmund Freud
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
You can disagree with me all you want, but it remains a fact that increased police presence results in a corresponding decrease in violent crime. Non-violent crimes go underground, violent crimes go elsewhere, everyone in that community is happy, those in neighboring communities, not so much. Do you also find it odd that someone would consider a tourniquet to be an effective way of keeping an injured person from bleeding to death, while at the same time discarding it as a viable long-term solution?
They teach this in psych 101. Deterents such as the police are only effective so long as there is a belief that there is an immediate police presence. As such, there would have to be a substantial increase (not even doubling or tripling) of the police force in an area to see any noticable decrease in crime. Violent crime doesn't necessarily migrate and there's no evidence of that.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
I imagine you quietly humming "Onward, Christian Soldiers" to yourself as you typed that sentence. An educated, moral, ethical, and compassionate society is the key to low crime. If you have those, you don't need to be well-armed.
Education does not correlate to low crime. If that were the case, then prior to the 20th century there would have been limitless crime and the opposite is true. Moral erosion causes crime. Being well-armed discourages criminal from risking their life. That is constant throughout history.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
And the weed obsession continues...
I call 'em like I see 'em. I'll bet you're high right now.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45 "Liberals do not exist. You invented them to facilitate your strawman arguments." -dennisd45 "The Communist Manifest was written 150 years ago. It has been rigorously tested and is accepted by left"
espeir wrote:
Violent crime doesn't necessarily migrate and there's no evidence of that.
Hidden crime doesn't migrate or decrease. Street crime certainly does. The evidence is particularly compelling for areas in the US and UK that are put under video surveillance.
espeir wrote:
Education does not correlate to low crime. If that were the case, then prior to the 20th century there would have been limitless crime and the opposite is true. Moral erosion causes crime. Being well-armed discourages criminal from risking their life. That is constant throughout history.
Sure it does. Education correlates to employment, employment inversely correlates to drime. Prior to the 20th century, the education/employment correlation was much weaker. Being well-employed, well-educated, and well-parented keeps people from being criminals in the first place. Then you don't need to defend yourself. Your right to bear arms remains a right, but is no longer a necessity.
espeir wrote:
I call 'em like I see 'em. I'll bet you're high right now.
I'm riding a powerful buzz of good music, caffiene, and intellectual superiority. You should try the first two sometime. Or find a nearby grade school or primate house and try the third.
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
The 1960s also included civil rights, equal rights for women, and the Peace Corps. Should we roll them all back? Do you think national disillusionment brought on by a presidential assassination, as well asyoung men drafted before they could vote and sent to fight a war of questionable justification, might have been factors as well? Do you think the matter might just be a tad more complex than "no Bibles in school"?
It is clearly more complex and includes all the facets of the left-wing cultural expansion. Presidents and wars existed before the 1960's and had no such influence.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45 "Liberals do not exist. You invented them to facilitate your strawman arguments." -dennisd45 "The Communist Manifest was written 150 years ago. It has been rigorously tested and is accepted by left"
espeir wrote:
It is clearly more complex and includes all the facets of the left-wing cultural expansion. Presidents and wars existed before the 1960's and had no such influence.
Obviously, if only the hippies and Communists hadn't questioned the upstanding, Bible-based, family-oriented morality that led us into Viet Nam, there would be no crime today. Not even thoughtcrime. Everything would be doubleplusgood.
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espeir wrote:
Violent crime doesn't necessarily migrate and there's no evidence of that.
Hidden crime doesn't migrate or decrease. Street crime certainly does. The evidence is particularly compelling for areas in the US and UK that are put under video surveillance.
espeir wrote:
Education does not correlate to low crime. If that were the case, then prior to the 20th century there would have been limitless crime and the opposite is true. Moral erosion causes crime. Being well-armed discourages criminal from risking their life. That is constant throughout history.
Sure it does. Education correlates to employment, employment inversely correlates to drime. Prior to the 20th century, the education/employment correlation was much weaker. Being well-employed, well-educated, and well-parented keeps people from being criminals in the first place. Then you don't need to defend yourself. Your right to bear arms remains a right, but is no longer a necessity.
espeir wrote:
I call 'em like I see 'em. I'll bet you're high right now.
I'm riding a powerful buzz of good music, caffiene, and intellectual superiority. You should try the first two sometime. Or find a nearby grade school or primate house and try the third.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Hidden crime doesn't migrate or decrease. Street crime certainly does. The evidence is particularly compelling for areas in the US and UK that are put under video surveillance.
Link?
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Sure it does. Education correlates to employment, employment inversely correlates to drime. Prior to the 20th century, the education/employment correlation was much weaker. Being well-employed, well-educated, and well-parented keeps people from being criminals in the first place. Then you don't need to defend yourself. Your right to bear arms remains a right, but is no longer a necessity.
This goes back to the dichotomy between the rich and poor. You can make a much better living today than 200 years ago being uneducated in either case. However, today an XBox is perceived as a necessity and if you don't have what the entitlement culture promises, then you go out and take it. That factor can be eliminated, but morality cannot.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Or find a nearby grade school or primate house and try the third.
So that's where you like to hang out? I must admit that it's a creepy.
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