Republicans attack their own
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Club for Growth[^] The conservative Club For Growth actively works to defeat Republican incumbents that are not ideologically pure enough. Nation wide, not an isolated incident like with Lieberman. From another article: Since its inception, the Club for Growth has been a stone in the shoe of Washington Republicans. Party leaders may share the Club's core ideology of maximum tax cuts and spending reductions, but they also recognize the reality of the electorate--namely that Republicans from moderate states and districts shouldn't commit political suicide in the name of ideology. So, when the Club began mounting primary challenges against Northeastern moderates like Sherwood Boehlert and Marge Roukema, it did so in opposition to congressional GOP leaders. ("We can't have this infighting between conservatives and moderates and maintain our majority," Tom DeLay grumbled to The Washington Post in 2000.) When the Club ran TV ads attacking moderate Republican senators who had been opposing a 2003 Bush tax cut, Karl Rove pronounced the move "stupid." And many Republicans were furious in 2004 when the Club spent $2.3 million in a bid to end Arlen Specter's 24-year Senate career. Its chosen candidate, right-wing Pennsylvania Representative Pat Toomey--who ripped Specter as a "dangerous liberal"--came within two points of succeeding, even though few Republicans believed Toomey could survive a general election."
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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Club for Growth[^] The conservative Club For Growth actively works to defeat Republican incumbents that are not ideologically pure enough. Nation wide, not an isolated incident like with Lieberman. From another article: Since its inception, the Club for Growth has been a stone in the shoe of Washington Republicans. Party leaders may share the Club's core ideology of maximum tax cuts and spending reductions, but they also recognize the reality of the electorate--namely that Republicans from moderate states and districts shouldn't commit political suicide in the name of ideology. So, when the Club began mounting primary challenges against Northeastern moderates like Sherwood Boehlert and Marge Roukema, it did so in opposition to congressional GOP leaders. ("We can't have this infighting between conservatives and moderates and maintain our majority," Tom DeLay grumbled to The Washington Post in 2000.) When the Club ran TV ads attacking moderate Republican senators who had been opposing a 2003 Bush tax cut, Karl Rove pronounced the move "stupid." And many Republicans were furious in 2004 when the Club spent $2.3 million in a bid to end Arlen Specter's 24-year Senate career. Its chosen candidate, right-wing Pennsylvania Representative Pat Toomey--who ripped Specter as a "dangerous liberal"--came within two points of succeeding, even though few Republicans believed Toomey could survive a general election."
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
Damn, they've started immitating Democrats...
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Damn, they've started immitating Democrats...
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Club for Growth[^] The conservative Club For Growth actively works to defeat Republican incumbents that are not ideologically pure enough. Nation wide, not an isolated incident like with Lieberman. From another article: Since its inception, the Club for Growth has been a stone in the shoe of Washington Republicans. Party leaders may share the Club's core ideology of maximum tax cuts and spending reductions, but they also recognize the reality of the electorate--namely that Republicans from moderate states and districts shouldn't commit political suicide in the name of ideology. So, when the Club began mounting primary challenges against Northeastern moderates like Sherwood Boehlert and Marge Roukema, it did so in opposition to congressional GOP leaders. ("We can't have this infighting between conservatives and moderates and maintain our majority," Tom DeLay grumbled to The Washington Post in 2000.) When the Club ran TV ads attacking moderate Republican senators who had been opposing a 2003 Bush tax cut, Karl Rove pronounced the move "stupid." And many Republicans were furious in 2004 when the Club spent $2.3 million in a bid to end Arlen Specter's 24-year Senate career. Its chosen candidate, right-wing Pennsylvania Representative Pat Toomey--who ripped Specter as a "dangerous liberal"--came within two points of succeeding, even though few Republicans believed Toomey could survive a general election."
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
dennisd45 wrote:
Republicans attack their own
Good for them. I always encourage intellectual diversity that is so lacking in the left. (*cough*hive mind*cough*).
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True enough. Time for a third party.
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dennisd45 wrote:
Republicans attack their own
Good for them. I always encourage intellectual diversity that is so lacking in the left. (*cough*hive mind*cough*).
espeir wrote:
Good for them. I always encourage intellectual diversity that is so lacking in the left. (*cough*hive mind*cough*).
Intellectual diversity?? The Club for Growth is about ideological purity. Which is pretty much the opposite of diversity. In other words the Hive Mind.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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Club for Growth[^] The conservative Club For Growth actively works to defeat Republican incumbents that are not ideologically pure enough. Nation wide, not an isolated incident like with Lieberman. From another article: Since its inception, the Club for Growth has been a stone in the shoe of Washington Republicans. Party leaders may share the Club's core ideology of maximum tax cuts and spending reductions, but they also recognize the reality of the electorate--namely that Republicans from moderate states and districts shouldn't commit political suicide in the name of ideology. So, when the Club began mounting primary challenges against Northeastern moderates like Sherwood Boehlert and Marge Roukema, it did so in opposition to congressional GOP leaders. ("We can't have this infighting between conservatives and moderates and maintain our majority," Tom DeLay grumbled to The Washington Post in 2000.) When the Club ran TV ads attacking moderate Republican senators who had been opposing a 2003 Bush tax cut, Karl Rove pronounced the move "stupid." And many Republicans were furious in 2004 when the Club spent $2.3 million in a bid to end Arlen Specter's 24-year Senate career. Its chosen candidate, right-wing Pennsylvania Representative Pat Toomey--who ripped Specter as a "dangerous liberal"--came within two points of succeeding, even though few Republicans believed Toomey could survive a general election."
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
The Club's president, former Rep. Pat Toomey, nearly defeated Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter in 2004.
Almost! Anyone from Pennsylvania? How do you people keep voting for a guy from the Warren Commission? Magic bullet my ass! http://specter.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=Biography.Home[^]
While serving in that position, he was named Assistant Counsel on the Warren Commission
investigation into President Kennedy's assassination. Two years later, Senator Specter was
elected District Attorney of Philadelphia at the age of 35.led mike
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espeir wrote:
Good for them. I always encourage intellectual diversity that is so lacking in the left. (*cough*hive mind*cough*).
Intellectual diversity?? The Club for Growth is about ideological purity. Which is pretty much the opposite of diversity. In other words the Hive Mind.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
dennisd45 wrote:
Intellectual diversity?? The Club for Growth is about ideological purity. Which is pretty much the opposite of diversity. In other words the Hive Mind.
Yes, they're one voice of many. It's not the Democratic Party which expels party members if they deviate from party expectations.
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dennisd45 wrote:
Intellectual diversity?? The Club for Growth is about ideological purity. Which is pretty much the opposite of diversity. In other words the Hive Mind.
Yes, they're one voice of many. It's not the Democratic Party which expels party members if they deviate from party expectations.
That's some twisted logic. If the Republicans defeat one of their own, it's diversity. If the Democrats defeat one of their own it's the hive mind. I guess you represent the Zombie Mind. "Republicans good, Democrats bad, Republicans good, Democrats bad, Republicans good, Democrats bad." At least you don't have to think.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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That's some twisted logic. If the Republicans defeat one of their own, it's diversity. If the Democrats defeat one of their own it's the hive mind. I guess you represent the Zombie Mind. "Republicans good, Democrats bad, Republicans good, Democrats bad, Republicans good, Democrats bad." At least you don't have to think.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
dennisd45 wrote:
That's some twisted logic. If the Republicans defeat one of their own, it's diversity. If the Democrats defeat one of their own it's the hive mind.
It's not a case of "Republicans [defeating] one their own". It's a case of "A conservative group campaigning against moderate Republicans". In other words, like MoveOn.org, they're a 527(b). They're opinion is registered in the minds of conservative voters who vote freely for or against the candidate. In the left-wing Democrat's case, the "hive mind" is the party itself. I've seen you use sound bites taken directly from Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid (like "culture of corruption). If anybody deviates from the hard-left agenda, they're immediately ostracized. If you do your research, there are other conservative groups that emphasize other issues like national security over economics. There are also numerous moderate members of the party, like John McCain and even some liberals. I think this organization is performing a good service for the Republican Party, because on a whole, Republicans in Congress have disregarded their fiscal responsibilities and need to be held responsible. I'm glad they contribute to our intellectual debate. -- modified at 16:26 Thursday 24th August, 2006
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dennisd45 wrote:
That's some twisted logic. If the Republicans defeat one of their own, it's diversity. If the Democrats defeat one of their own it's the hive mind.
It's not a case of "Republicans [defeating] one their own". It's a case of "A conservative group campaigning against moderate Republicans". In other words, like MoveOn.org, they're a 527(b). They're opinion is registered in the minds of conservative voters who vote freely for or against the candidate. In the left-wing Democrat's case, the "hive mind" is the party itself. I've seen you use sound bites taken directly from Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid (like "culture of corruption). If anybody deviates from the hard-left agenda, they're immediately ostracized. If you do your research, there are other conservative groups that emphasize other issues like national security over economics. There are also numerous moderate members of the party, like John McCain and even some liberals. I think this organization is performing a good service for the Republican Party, because on a whole, Republicans in Congress have disregarded their fiscal responsibilities and need to be held responsible. I'm glad they contribute to our intellectual debate. -- modified at 16:26 Thursday 24th August, 2006
espeir wrote:
"A conservative group campaigning against moderate Republicans".
How is that different than a liberal group campaigning against a conservative Democrat?
espeir wrote:
I've seen you use sound bites taken directly from Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid (like "culture of corruption).
Really? When? In fact a seach on the term "culture of corruption" only turns up your name.
espeir wrote:
If anybody deviates from the hard-left agenda, they're immediately ostracized.
Really? Who? And give someone besides Lieberman. Also prove that they are being ostracized. Also prove that the Democratic platform is "hard-left". If you bothered to do any research yourself you would see that the Democratic party has a broad range of groups and opinions.
espeir wrote:
In other words, like MoveOn.org,
So Club for Growth is like MoveOn.org. So MoveOn.org's "opinion is registered in the minds of liberal voters who vote freely for or against the candidate." So they are not part of a hive mind, yet are on the left.
espeir wrote:
I think this organization is performing a good service for the Republican Party, because on a whole, Republicans in Congress have disregarded their fiscal responsibilities and need to be held responsible. I'm glad they contribute to our intellectual debate.
But that is not what Club for Growth is doing. They are hardly concerned with fiscal responsibility. They are for tax cuts. If a Republican opposes tax cuts on the grounds of fiscal responsibility CFG will still attack them. So please explain to me how Republicans replacing Joe Schwarz in the Michigan Republican primary different than Democrats replacing Lieberman in CT Democratic primary. -- modified at 17:08 Thursday 24th August, 2006
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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The Club's president, former Rep. Pat Toomey, nearly defeated Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter in 2004.
Almost! Anyone from Pennsylvania? How do you people keep voting for a guy from the Warren Commission? Magic bullet my ass! http://specter.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=Biography.Home[^]
While serving in that position, he was named Assistant Counsel on the Warren Commission
investigation into President Kennedy's assassination. Two years later, Senator Specter was
elected District Attorney of Philadelphia at the age of 35.led mike
Yeh that was really suspicious. Bush pulled out all the stops in the last PA primary - it was really frightening. Wierd stuff is happening in those battleground states like PA and NJ.
A cynic is a man who, when he smells flowers, looks around for a coffin.
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Club for Growth[^] The conservative Club For Growth actively works to defeat Republican incumbents that are not ideologically pure enough. Nation wide, not an isolated incident like with Lieberman. From another article: Since its inception, the Club for Growth has been a stone in the shoe of Washington Republicans. Party leaders may share the Club's core ideology of maximum tax cuts and spending reductions, but they also recognize the reality of the electorate--namely that Republicans from moderate states and districts shouldn't commit political suicide in the name of ideology. So, when the Club began mounting primary challenges against Northeastern moderates like Sherwood Boehlert and Marge Roukema, it did so in opposition to congressional GOP leaders. ("We can't have this infighting between conservatives and moderates and maintain our majority," Tom DeLay grumbled to The Washington Post in 2000.) When the Club ran TV ads attacking moderate Republican senators who had been opposing a 2003 Bush tax cut, Karl Rove pronounced the move "stupid." And many Republicans were furious in 2004 when the Club spent $2.3 million in a bid to end Arlen Specter's 24-year Senate career. Its chosen candidate, right-wing Pennsylvania Representative Pat Toomey--who ripped Specter as a "dangerous liberal"--came within two points of succeeding, even though few Republicans believed Toomey could survive a general election."
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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espeir wrote:
"A conservative group campaigning against moderate Republicans".
How is that different than a liberal group campaigning against a conservative Democrat?
espeir wrote:
I've seen you use sound bites taken directly from Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid (like "culture of corruption).
Really? When? In fact a seach on the term "culture of corruption" only turns up your name.
espeir wrote:
If anybody deviates from the hard-left agenda, they're immediately ostracized.
Really? Who? And give someone besides Lieberman. Also prove that they are being ostracized. Also prove that the Democratic platform is "hard-left". If you bothered to do any research yourself you would see that the Democratic party has a broad range of groups and opinions.
espeir wrote:
In other words, like MoveOn.org,
So Club for Growth is like MoveOn.org. So MoveOn.org's "opinion is registered in the minds of liberal voters who vote freely for or against the candidate." So they are not part of a hive mind, yet are on the left.
espeir wrote:
I think this organization is performing a good service for the Republican Party, because on a whole, Republicans in Congress have disregarded their fiscal responsibilities and need to be held responsible. I'm glad they contribute to our intellectual debate.
But that is not what Club for Growth is doing. They are hardly concerned with fiscal responsibility. They are for tax cuts. If a Republican opposes tax cuts on the grounds of fiscal responsibility CFG will still attack them. So please explain to me how Republicans replacing Joe Schwarz in the Michigan Republican primary different than Democrats replacing Lieberman in CT Democratic primary. -- modified at 17:08 Thursday 24th August, 2006
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
"How is that different than a liberal group campaigning against a conservative Democrat?" Are you trying to not understand? Right or wrong, espeir is saying the Democratic PARTY kicks people out for not towing the party line. Whereas, this group, like MoveOn, is conservative (liberal in MoveOn's case) group INDEPENDANT of the party trying to enact change within the party.
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"How is that different than a liberal group campaigning against a conservative Democrat?" Are you trying to not understand? Right or wrong, espeir is saying the Democratic PARTY kicks people out for not towing the party line. Whereas, this group, like MoveOn, is conservative (liberal in MoveOn's case) group INDEPENDANT of the party trying to enact change within the party.
eggsovereasy wrote:
Are you trying to not understand?
No, that's espeir's job.
eggsovereasy wrote:
Right or wrong, espeir is saying the Democratic PARTY kicks people out for not towing the party line.
Clearly wrong, Since it doesn't happen. I assumed he meant that the voters it the CT Democratic primary selected Lamont over Lieberman (for example). This would mean that Lieberman was kicked out of the Democratic party. You are saying that he meant that the Democratic party kicks out people who do not toe the party line through some sort of administrative process. That does not happen. So why should I respond to an assertion that is completely false?
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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eggsovereasy wrote:
Are you trying to not understand?
No, that's espeir's job.
eggsovereasy wrote:
Right or wrong, espeir is saying the Democratic PARTY kicks people out for not towing the party line.
Clearly wrong, Since it doesn't happen. I assumed he meant that the voters it the CT Democratic primary selected Lamont over Lieberman (for example). This would mean that Lieberman was kicked out of the Democratic party. You are saying that he meant that the Democratic party kicks out people who do not toe the party line through some sort of administrative process. That does not happen. So why should I respond to an assertion that is completely false?
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
Not saying he's right, just explaining his argument.