Who in the world does the right like?
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Just that it sounded weird given their unconditional support for Israel and their (justified) pride in kicking the furher`s ass
It was not my intention to sound sane. :-D
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ahz wrote:
merican soldiers who did those things are being prosecuted
So is any muslim terrorist caught in any of our countries.
ahz wrote:
Two wrongs don't make a right.
True.
ahz wrote:
Your actions are your actions and you are responsible for what you decide to do regardless of the cause or reason. It's still your responsibility.
True again, but how do you define "you"?? If you mean muslim government you know their official opsition of terrorism. Not to mention that it was us who were first struck by terrorism in the mid 60s.
ahz wrote:
killing innocent civilians is not.
Does that include muslim civilians in Iraq/Afghanstan/occupied Palestine -aka Israel-?
ahz wrote:
Insurgency against what you believe is an invasion/occupation is ok
Does that include Iraqi Insugency against american soldiers?
ahz wrote:
Muslim people dancing in the streets and handing out candy when some Muslim terrorist act occurs.
I've never done that!! And I don't personally know anyone who have done that!! Remember that shi'ite Iranians do not represent us by their support to hizbollah.
ahz wrote:
Where are the Imams decrying the terrorist acts?
They are everywhere!! Including the Imam of my nearby mousque!! It was the subject of the last two speeches.
ahz wrote:
Where are the public demonstrations against the terrorist acts?
As muslims we don't express ourselves with demonstrations. That's why you don't hear the voice of moderate muslims.
ahz wrote:
And in fact, there are demonstrations in support of the terrorists.
This is the effect of the media!! Focusing on those guys to give the picture you see about muslims. Those little bearded devils who want to blow up the world!! For God sake! And why did you say I don't like the truth?? What truth? That Islam endorses terrorism and hatred? I dare anyone to give me one true verse of our holy book endorsing any terrorist action against civilians.. These are truly dark ages for Islam.
Regards:rose:
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
we don't express ourselves with demonstrations
That's bull. I've seen on TV lots of times islamic nations taking to the streets, holding anti-America or anti-Israel signs, burning western leaders in effigy. We see very little of other countries capturing terrorists. What we do see lots of is those that are not terrorists, being complacent with those that are. To many of us, that is the same as being a terrorist. You are letting the disease spread. Just saying you don't want it doesn't do much.
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ahz wrote:
Because it's Muslims doing the terrorizing and Muslims doing the supporting of terrorism
All muslims?? Or some muslims?? Did all american soldiers commit war crimes?? does that mean that we should condemn all the american army?
ahz wrote:
no Muslims crying out against the terrorists and no Mulims trying to stop the terrorists.
For God sake what I was crying all about?!! Our governments arrest terrorist all the time. It's a crime here!! You don't see what truely happens in my land like I do!!
ahz wrote:
Today I will not hate!
Really?!! With all the bitterness in my mouth of what I've just saw in the pictures of the civilians of Fallugah?? I'm reasonaly and I hold Islam's rules. That's why I don't endorse terrorism like many other educated muslims who truly know Islam. Other less educated muslims get driven by hatred and oppression. That is the main cause of terrorism.
ahz wrote:
I'm glad to see you say that.
I hope the others are the same -noting the vote my last post got-.
Regards:rose:
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
All muslims?? Or some muslims??
Of course it's only *some*, but until there is a large and LOUD outcry from the muslim world against such acts, it's inevitable that it will be seen that most muslims support terrorism.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
For God sake what I was crying all about?!! Our governments arrest terrorist all the time. It's a crime here!! You don't see what truely happens in my land like I do!!
But those are internal terrorists not ones who commit terrorism in foreign lands. Maybe I'm wrong and I'd sure like to be. If there are such arrests/trials, then I wish western media would report it.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Really?!! With all the bitterness in my mouth of what I've just saw in the pictures of the civilians of Fallugah?
Yes, really! Everyone must say it and do it. I know it's hard, but everyone must say: "peace/love begins with me."
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Other less educated muslims get driven by hatred and oppression. That is the main cause of terrorism.
I believe that is true and I'm glad you recognize that. You must teach it to other muslims and you must do your part to educate where it is needed.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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It was not my intention to sound sane. :-D
-- Transmitido en Martian en SAP
I know and you didn`t. But Espeir might be reading.
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Nader Elshehabi wrote:
So is any muslim terrorist caught in any of our countries.
Prove it. And I'm not talking about internal (to Egypt/muslim country) terrorists.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
how do you define "you"?? If you mean muslim government
"You" means the individual. "You" means the Muslim world. "You" means Iran/Syria/Saudi Arabia/Indonesia/etc.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Does that include muslim civilians in Iraq/Afghanstan/occupied Palestine -aka Israel-?
Why does being muslim make a difference? If they where of some other religion would you cry out as loud? No, killing civilians is not right by anyone and should be avoided. However, Hezbollah started it and Israel finished it.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
I've never done that!!
Well good!!! But many, many others have!
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
They are everywhere!! Including the Imam of my nearby mousque!!
That's good to know! It needs to get published world-wide and the media (Al Jazeera are you listening?) needs to publish it instead of the terrorist videos.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
As muslims we don't express ourselves with demonstrations. That's why you don't hear the voice of moderate muslims.
That's too bad. You need to start doing it.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
This is the effect of the media!!
Maybe so. I don't doubt the media is somewhat responsible.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
And why did you say I don't like the truth?? What truth? That Islam endorses terrorism and hatred? I dare anyone to give me one true verse of our holy book endorsing any terrorist action against civilians..
The truth that many muslims support terrorism. The truth that Islam is not a religion of peace, but rather of submission and violence. The truth that many, many verses in the Koran teach violence against non-muslims. The truth that you are responsible for your own actions and it is you who decides what you will do from moment to moment. You are not a robot.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
These are truly dark ages for Islam.
That may be true, bu
ahz wrote:
Prove it. And I'm not talking about internal (to Egypt/muslim country) terrorists.
What do you mean prove it?? Bin Laden and any Al-qaida member is wanted in all our countries!! Any terrorist who have done anything in a foreign land and caught in our land is delivered to the foreign country.
ahz wrote:
"You" means Iran/Syria/Saudi Arabia/Indonesia/etc.
Syria: What have they done? Iran: Not us! Saudia Arbia: Just struck by terrorism less than 2 years ago. The main Islamic counsel have already condemned terrorism and considered terrorists as sinners and they are NOT martyrs. Indonesia: Never been their and don't know anything about them!! Why do you blame me for anything they've done?
ahz wrote:
Why does being muslim make a difference?
The whole post is about muslim assailants and no one mentioned muslim victims!! They are human too and I'm glad you've noticed that!! ALL civilians must be spared in any military actions. Muslim or not. But should also include muslims.
ahz wrote:
It needs to get published world-wide and the media (Al Jazeera are you listening?) needs to publish it instead of the terrorist videos.
Have you seen any of our other TV channels??!! Imams have been all over the local/global TV channels condemning terrorism and denying all the claims of terrorist that they are in Jihad!! Al-Jazeera wants only publicity and thanks to you it had it!!
ahz wrote:
many muslims support terrorism
The ratio not the number that counts!! What's the ratio and please don't count on those few hundreds that appeared on the media.
ahz wrote:
The truth that many, many verses in the Koran teach violence against non-muslims.
Give me just one!! One the promots violence against nonmuslim for no reason!! One that promots violence against civilians.
ahz wrote:
The truth that you are responsible for your own actions and it is you who decides what you will do from moment to moment.
I am responsible for MY actions. Why do you blame me or any other muslim for somebody's else actions?? What did our leaders say?? Do they promot terrorism?? Did Islamic counsel promot terrorism?? They represent us.
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I'm assuming it was some quip about right-wingers liking Hitler but also supporting the Israelis. Or loving money. Or maybe something about Henry Kissinger. Or Mel Gibson. I must confess, i've been very busy the last few weeks and haven't been keeping up on the latest Jew jokes. :-O
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Nader Elshehabi wrote:
All muslims?? Or some muslims??
Of course it's only *some*, but until there is a large and LOUD outcry from the muslim world against such acts, it's inevitable that it will be seen that most muslims support terrorism.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
For God sake what I was crying all about?!! Our governments arrest terrorist all the time. It's a crime here!! You don't see what truely happens in my land like I do!!
But those are internal terrorists not ones who commit terrorism in foreign lands. Maybe I'm wrong and I'd sure like to be. If there are such arrests/trials, then I wish western media would report it.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Really?!! With all the bitterness in my mouth of what I've just saw in the pictures of the civilians of Fallugah?
Yes, really! Everyone must say it and do it. I know it's hard, but everyone must say: "peace/love begins with me."
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Other less educated muslims get driven by hatred and oppression. That is the main cause of terrorism.
I believe that is true and I'm glad you recognize that. You must teach it to other muslims and you must do your part to educate where it is needed.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
ahz wrote:
LOUD outcry from the muslim world against such acts
ALL muslim governments/large organizations/communities even the Islamic Counsel already did that..
ahz wrote:
If there are such arrests/trials, then I wish western media would report it.
Me too. They do exist.
ahz wrote:
everyone must say: "peace/love begins with me."
I DON'T hate non-muslims so is many other muslims. But I do hate offensive actions taken against my people. Specially against civilians. Now how do you expect every muslim to say "I love you" to someone who just killed his brother and raped his sister?? They don't represent you? So terrorists don't represent islam.
ahz wrote:
You must teach it to other muslims
We ARE doing it all the time and I don't think -of course- you are following the lessons schedule given in the biggest mousque in the world in mecca. Many of them condemn terrorism there. Inalmost all our mousques there are lessons against terrorism. But of course the media don't broadcast any of them do they?? Go to CAIR's website!! Go to http://english.Islamway.com[^] and see what we say about terrorism.
Regards:rose:
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Boy, did this thread go over your head or what??!!!? You need to take those blinders off your eyes and read things with a wider view. By the "right" he means the US political "right". He's not saying he hates/likes someone, he's saying what he believes someone else hates/likes.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
what do you expect in return??
First, the American soldiers who did those things are being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and they will probably receive a life-imprisonment sentence. Second, Two wrongs don't make a right. Your actions are your actions and you are responsible for what you decide to do regardless of the cause or reason. It's still your responsibility. Take the high road, not the low road. It's true some American soldiers did some bad things, but just like you say Muslim terrorists don't represent all of Islam/Muslim world, then neither do those US soldiers who did something bad in Iraq/Afganistan/elsewhere represent all of America nor all Americans. You can't have it both ways. Fighting the soldiers is ok, killing innocent civilians is not. Insurgency against what you believe is an invasion/occupation is ok, suicide/homicide bombings where innocent people and children are blown to bits is not ok. Furthermore, it's hard to believe that Muslim terrorists don't represent much of the Islam/Muslim world when we see Muslim people dancing in the streets and handing out candy when some Muslim terrorist act occurs. Where are the Imams decrying the terrorist acts? Virtually non-existent. Where are the public demonstrations against the terrorist acts? Definately non-existent. And in fact, there are demonstrations in support of the terrorists. Get a grip! If you want us to believe that much of the Muslim/Islam world doesn't support or believe in the acts of the Muslim terrorists, then you all need to do something much different than you are so that we can see something much different than what we are seeing.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Revise modern history
Typical response of those who don't like the truth.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was al
ahz wrote:
Muslim people dancing in the streets and handing out candy when some Muslim terrorist act occurs
:omg: What a retard you are.YOU are really a product of media sperm.
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ahz wrote:
Muslim people dancing in the streets and handing out candy when some Muslim terrorist act occurs
:omg: What a retard you are.YOU are really a product of media sperm.
ah pig boy has spoken. It's on film dickheaded fuckweed!
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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ah pig boy has spoken. It's on film dickheaded fuckweed!
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
:laugh::laugh: Carry on Carry On.Your calling name exercise is actually hurting YOU not me and If you idiot thinks that abusing me WOULD make you RESPECTABLe then you are really an imaginary moron.Carry on.I woudnt mind at all:rolleyes: I am rather glad you are in pain while abusing me ;)