Don't call us violent or we'll kill you...
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http://www.islam101.com/dawah/newBorn.htm[^] The Prophet (PBUH) reported that Allah said, "I created my servants in the right religion but devils made them go astray". The Prophet (PBUH) also said, "Each child is born in a state of "Fitrah", then his parents make him a Jew, Christian or a Zoroastrian, the way an animal gives birth to a normal offspring. Have you noticed any that were born mutilated?"
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
Ryan Roberts wrote:
"Each child is born in a state of "Fitrah"
ANd do you know what Fitrah means?:rolleyes:
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
unless the victim can produce 4 male witnesses she is considered to have committed adultery
Do you have a reference for this? According to Quran 24:4, it is the accuser who must produce 4 witnesses in order to prove adultery.
Thats the verse.. it has ended up being used for exactly that purpose though. I'm trying to find the reasoning behind it.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
"Each child is born in a state of "Fitrah"
ANd do you know what Fitrah means?:rolleyes:
Grace. I assume this is why you can also believe in pre Islamic Muslims (Hanifs?). Its an interesting concept, compared to Christian notions of original sin. Doesn't alter my position that you believe your children to be born Muslim.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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Grace. I assume this is why you can also believe in pre Islamic Muslims (Hanifs?). Its an interesting concept, compared to Christian notions of original sin. Doesn't alter my position that you believe your children to be born Muslim.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
Ryan Roberts wrote:
pre Islamic Muslims (Hanifs?)
ROFL.Now I really believe you know lots about Islam and Muislims.I know you are actually referring "Hanfis" but pre-Islamic,hahhaa.you made my day.Was that not you who raised point on muhammdans because they follow Mohammad and didnt make a study about 'christian'
Ryan Roberts wrote:
you believe your children to be born Muslim.
We even believe that Abraham was first who was a muslim.The word Muslim means Submission to God so naturally everyone is submitted to God even you[doesnt matter you accept or not]
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
pre Islamic Muslims (Hanifs?)
ROFL.Now I really believe you know lots about Islam and Muislims.I know you are actually referring "Hanfis" but pre-Islamic,hahhaa.you made my day.Was that not you who raised point on muhammdans because they follow Mohammad and didnt make a study about 'christian'
Ryan Roberts wrote:
you believe your children to be born Muslim.
We even believe that Abraham was first who was a muslim.The word Muslim means Submission to God so naturally everyone is submitted to God even you[doesnt matter you accept or not]
Mohammeds ahistorical use of proto muslims to back his point has no bearing on the fact your faith often resembles a personaility cult.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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Mohammeds ahistorical use of proto muslims to back his point has no bearing on the fact your faith often resembles a personaility cult.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
for every non-believer,A religion would appear as a Personality Cult.I dont get surprised at all.