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  • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

    I just told you. He's a smart man. I suggest you read his book "The God Delusion". Might do you some good. Or is your faith too weak to be tested?

    -- Verletzen zerfetzen zersetzen zerstören Doch es darf nicht mir gehören Ich muss zerstören

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    Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:

    I suggest you read his book "The God Delusion". Might do you some good. Or is your faith too weak to be tested?

    I think I might read it. My understanding is that it's the authoritative text on atheist theology and, though I'm pretty confident that I have a firm grasp on atheism, I might gleam something new off of it.

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      And based on past scientific observation, I have faith that I will be voted a 1. ;P [edit]Though what really disappoints me is how we see everything so black and white nowadays. Yes, the poster asked "do you agree" but in reality, a statement like this is ripe for a lot of interesting discussion and thinking. And thinking seems to be in such short supply nowadays.[/edit] Marc

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      Marc Clifton wrote:

      a statement like this is ripe for a lot of interesting discussion and thinking.

      Even when it is posted by Kyle? :rolleyes:

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        Marc Clifton wrote:

        Though what really disappoints me is how we see everything so black and white nowadays. Yes, the poster asked "do you agree" but in reality, a statement like this is ripe for a lot of interesting discussion and thinking. And thinking seems to be in such short supply nowadays

        I agree. Though very poorly worded, it makes the valid point that science and religion aren't in competition and that they serve two separate and important roles. Atheists refuse to acknowledge that fact because they've essentially adopted science as religion, thereby creating opposing theologies. Speaking to a physicalist about science makes me feel like I'm talking to a Muslim about...well...anything. In many instances, they've blurred the line between theological and non-theological topics.

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        Yes. And in both cases there is so much that is unkown there is no fact based answer it is all basically opinion and/or faith. Not that there is anything wrong with that as long as it is acknowledged which many times it is not. Which for me raises the possibility that both sides might be mostly correct. In other words much if not all of both could co-exist in reality. Now to unfortunately interject logic once again.... since science does exist, then as a person of faith one must believe that to a great degree science is part of Gods plan. Now the difficult part becomes "knowing" (not opinion) where the lines are and of course there is no absolute way to know in many/most cases.

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          Yes. And in both cases there is so much that is unkown there is no fact based answer it is all basically opinion and/or faith. Not that there is anything wrong with that as long as it is acknowledged which many times it is not. Which for me raises the possibility that both sides might be mostly correct. In other words much if not all of both could co-exist in reality. Now to unfortunately interject logic once again.... since science does exist, then as a person of faith one must believe that to a great degree science is part of Gods plan. Now the difficult part becomes "knowing" (not opinion) where the lines are and of course there is no absolute way to know in many/most cases.

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          led mike wrote:

          Now to unfortunately interject logic once again.... since science does exist, then as a person of faith one must believe that to a great degree science is part of Gods plan. Now the difficult part becomes "knowing" (not opinion) where the lines are and of course there is no absolute way to know in many/most cases.

          I don't think that all that many religious people (Muslims excluded) think otherwise. However, the materialist interpretation intertwines science with the belief system. In other words, we are the physical world and nothing more and that physical world can be studied and measured, thus making science dogmatic. Religions assert that we are more than the physical and the two (generally speaking) are separate and distinct. One can therefore study science and religion separately, whereas a materialist will have difficulty doing that.

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            led mike wrote:

            Now to unfortunately interject logic once again.... since science does exist, then as a person of faith one must believe that to a great degree science is part of Gods plan. Now the difficult part becomes "knowing" (not opinion) where the lines are and of course there is no absolute way to know in many/most cases.

            I don't think that all that many religious people (Muslims excluded) think otherwise. However, the materialist interpretation intertwines science with the belief system. In other words, we are the physical world and nothing more and that physical world can be studied and measured, thus making science dogmatic. Religions assert that we are more than the physical and the two (generally speaking) are separate and distinct. One can therefore study science and religion separately, whereas a materialist will have difficulty doing that.

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            Umm... I agree? YIKES! :laugh:

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              Umm... I agree? YIKES! :laugh:

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              Leftists suck! :~

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                Leftists suck! :~

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                Extremists suck more ;P

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                  Extremists suck more ;P

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                  What's the difference?

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