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I don't know in what spirit Stan made his comment - I suspect somewhat tongue-in-cheek - but he has a point: if you are going to do something (such as the death penalty, as some States do) then at least have the honesty to do it openly and in public - *make* people face the reality of their (political) decisions, and hopefully they will make better ones in thre future. Whether you are for the death penalty or against it, I think there is a good argument for carrying them out in public. Fred
Fred_Smith wrote:
*make* people face the reality of their (political) decisions, and hopefully they will make better ones in thre future.
Precisely. I have no strong opinions on the death penalty one way or another, but I think many people who are strongly for it might change their minds if the deed were done in the broad light of day.
I find it odd that we celebrate diversity by trying to do away with it
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CNN seem to have various videos on their web site, and Fox News is running wild with, unsurprisingly, a full video of Saddam's execution. I hear Fox is running a rebate for the cost of any bullets you let off while watching the video, although they remind you that firing within city limits is not advisable, and you may want to go outside first. :rolleyes: Does The Sun run on a Saturday? If so they must be really pissed. On their web site they have already had to push their "WISHING YOU A HAPPY NUDE YEAR" and "CAR PARKS OF GREAT BRITAIN" breaking features into secondary news slots, leaving millions of Britains unable to find their daily 'news'.
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
and Fox News is running wild with,
Must only be on your side of the Atlantic. Over here, all they are showing is the Ford funeral bull shit.
I find it odd that we celebrate diversity by trying to do away with it
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cykophysh39 wrote:
Our society may have more fancy gadgetory than our ancestors, but that does not make us advanced, we are still the same human beings, and have not evolved into anything else, we still have the same flaws in our make up as our ancestors. Where our ancestors would have to walk across town to watch an execution we choose to watch it on TV.
I would argue that some of us have moved on, while others are still stuck in the medieval ages...
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
I would argue that some of us have moved on, while others are still stuck in the medieval ages...
Let the supermarket shelves go empty for about two days and see just how civilized modern society is. :rolleyes:
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
I would argue that some of us have moved on, while others are still stuck in the medieval ages...
Let the supermarket shelves go empty for about two days and see just how civilized modern society is. :rolleyes:
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
Tim Craig wrote:
Let the supermarket shelves go empty for about two days and see just how civilized modern society is.
Yep. I used to work in a supermarket and know how people get when shelves aren't stocked :rolleyes:
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Kind of a weak argument, is it not? What does it matter if people get to see the executions, or not? I think it's obvious by now that death penalties does not deter criminals. If anything, it'll just make them more determined not to get caught. I, and most people I argue, are quite capable of understanding what an execution is, without having to see one. If a society which makes use of death penalties from the public view (not from public knowledge), and people are too ignorant to know about it, then there's something really rotten in that society. If death penalty is displayed for all to see, and is used as some kind of deterrent, then that government is far from one protecting its people. It has then become a government of intimidation, and its statement is "If you do not comply, you will be executed." All punishment, including the death penalty, is basically an attempt to cure the symptoms. I realize that trying to find a cure for the cause is a massive undertaking, and quite possibly impossible. It is however a noble to goal to strive for it. The death penalty is in my opinion striving in the opposite direction.
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
and most people I argue, are quite capable of understanding what an execution is, without having to see one.
I disagree. This thread started with someone complaining about having to see pictures of the execution (actually not even that - but just pictures leading up to it!)
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
If a society which makes use of death penalties from the public view (not from public knowledge), and people are too ignorant to know about it, then there's something really rotten in that society.
The penny drops... The point in public executions, as far as my argument goes, is not an effort to make it a stronger deterrent, but to make people really see what having it means. I agree in that I don't think it is a deterrent. But it sure is a punishment, and when the crime is bad enough, why shouldn't it be used? Could anyone claim that Saddam Hussein really still had a right to live? Well, yes, lots will - but I don't. He forfeited that right along with the hundreds of thousands of similar rights he took from others.
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
All punishment, including the death penalty, is basically an attempt to cure the symptoms
There's nothing wrong with curing symptons whilst striving to cure the cause. In fact, if I cure my headache, I can probably work better at finding out what caused it. Fred
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David Wulff wrote:
and Fox News is running wild with,
Must only be on your side of the Atlantic. Over here, all they are showing is the Ford funeral bull shit.
I find it odd that we celebrate diversity by trying to do away with it
I dont get Fox here, I was going by their web site.
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Tim Craig wrote:
Let the supermarket shelves go empty for about two days and see just how civilized modern society is.
Yep. I used to work in a supermarket and know how people get when shelves aren't stocked :rolleyes:
Paul Conrad wrote:
I used to work in a supermarket and know how people get when shelves aren't stocked
And I bet that wasn't for two days. :laugh: Or worse, there was a mistake and they thought sirloin was on sale for $1.39. ;P Then see how they behave.
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Paul Conrad wrote:
I used to work in a supermarket and know how people get when shelves aren't stocked
And I bet that wasn't for two days. :laugh: Or worse, there was a mistake and they thought sirloin was on sale for $1.39. ;P Then see how they behave.
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Tim Craig wrote:
And I bet that wasn't for two days.
Nope. It was over Memorial Day Weekend.
Tim Craig wrote:
there was a mistake and they thought sirloin was on sale for $1.39. ;P Then see how they behave.
That is a classic one :)
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journalistic integrity
What in the world is that??
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Fuck off.
Ahahahahahaha :laugh: "Fuck off, I'm full of your nonsense!"
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Its reality, deal with it. Lets put it this way, if I had a child and someone killed my child I would love to see that person die in an execution.
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someone killed my child I would love to see that person die in an execution
I wouldn't witness it; I would perform it.
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Fuck off.
Ahahahahahaha :laugh: "Fuck off, I'm full of your nonsense!"
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I had to be brief, because I'm about to move my butt to a new year's eve party. :) Happy new year!
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Kind of a weak argument, is it not? What does it matter if people get to see the executions, or not? I think it's obvious by now that death penalties does not deter criminals. If anything, it'll just make them more determined not to get caught. I, and most people I argue, are quite capable of understanding what an execution is, without having to see one. If a society which makes use of death penalties from the public view (not from public knowledge), and people are too ignorant to know about it, then there's something really rotten in that society. If death penalty is displayed for all to see, and is used as some kind of deterrent, then that government is far from one protecting its people. It has then become a government of intimidation, and its statement is "If you do not comply, you will be executed." All punishment, including the death penalty, is basically an attempt to cure the symptoms. I realize that trying to find a cure for the cause is a massive undertaking, and quite possibly impossible. It is however a noble to goal to strive for it. The death penalty is in my opinion striving in the opposite direction.
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what do you think would be the right punishment for this man: Noida serial killer[^]. Just makes my soul shiver, and just want the worst things possible to happen to him. He somehow lost his right to live, why should the taxpayers pay for his time in jail?
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I had to be brief, because I'm about to move my butt to a new year's eve party. :) Happy new year!
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Happy New Year!
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...do I have to see still photos of the last few minutes before Saddam's execution on every major news media outlet website? This is bloody ridiculous! How do I explain this to a child, why is this even necessary? It's sufficient to report the news without having to show me the pictures or, even worse, the bloody video. Somehow these news agencies get off on selling this shit and I find it pathetic that you have to televise death to get ratings. Whatever happened to journalistic integrity? This world is nuts! X|
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The Apocalyptic Teacup wrote:
you have to televise death
Whats new. Death has been a spectacle for thousands of years. On a more constructive note, the fact the executioners were Shias, who taunted Sadam during his hanging, saying it is revenge from the Shia militant cleric, is interesting, because it makes a joke of the present government, and highlights again the depth of animosity between Shai and Suni. The fact they couldnt get the hanging right (ie in a professional, detatched, mature fashion) says to me that the only way forward is to partition the coutry. Now that is why the video is interesting.
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