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Just inspired by a current thread in the lounge: Why do some countries still use their feet to measure distances, even if the metric system has been introduced there for ages? Regards Thomas Finally with Sonork id: 100.10453 Thömmi
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Mike Mullikin :beer:Our lager, Who art in barrels, Hallowed be thy drink, Thy will be drunk, (I will be drunk) At home as I am in the tavern, Give us this day our foamy head, And forgive us our spillages, As we forgive those who spill against us, And lead us not to incarceration, But deliver us from hangovers, For thine is beer, The bitter and the lager, Forever and ever, Barmen.:beer:
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****Matt Newman wrote: Because Americans (for example) are to stubborn to switch to the easier to use systems. Note: I am an American. That does not count, that's self-mockery ;) Regards Thomas Finally with Sonork id: 100.10453 Thömmi
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****Matt Newman wrote: Because Americans (for example) are to stubborn to switch to the easier to use systems. Note: I am an American. That does not count, that's self-mockery ;) Regards Thomas Finally with Sonork id: 100.10453 Thömmi
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I look at it this way, time is measured using 60 seconds per minute, 60 minutes per hour, 24 hours per day, 28, 29, 30 or 31 days per month and 12 months per year. It's not till the next levels (decades, centuries, milleniums) that metric applies. Since I'm an "all or nothing" kind of guy and time will never be metric, there is no point in changing to metric for anything else. ;P ;P ;P There is an old SNL sketch about the new "Metric Day"!!! Hilarious!! :laugh:
Mike Mullikin :beer:Our lager, Who art in barrels, Hallowed be thy drink, Thy will be drunk, (I will be drunk) At home as I am in the tavern, Give us this day our foamy head, And forgive us our spillages, As we forgive those who spill against us, And lead us not to incarceration, But deliver us from hangovers, For thine is beer, The bitter and the lager, Forever and ever, Barmen.:beer:
Mike Mullikin wrote: I look at it this way, time is measured using 60 seconds per minute, 60 minutes per hour, 24 hours per day, 28, 29, 30 or 31 days per month and 12 months per year. It's not till the next levels (decades, centuries, milleniums) that metric applies. Wait a couple of decades of years, and you will see the standard day, the standard month, and the standard year ;) Nevertheless, IMHO the metric system for length measurement is quite easier than feet and inches. Regards Thomas Finally with Sonork id: 100.10453 Thömmi
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****Colin Davies wrote: For my height or other bodily measurements Since we are at Rant and Rave: what are other bodily measurements :~ Regards Thomas Finally with Sonork id: 100.10453 Thömmi
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Because of heavy processing requirements, we are currently using some of your unused brain capacity for backup processing. Please ignore any hallucinations, voices or unusual dreams you may experience. Please avoid concentration-intensive tasks until further notice. Thank you.Thomas Freudenberg wrote: what are other bodily measurements Even though we are in R&R I don't wanna be explicitly vulgar and spell it out. But I'm sure you can guess. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
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"real Americans don't criticize their leaders - because they don't want the terrorists to win." -- Quote from Chris Losinger a real American"
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I do not talk about switching from the empirial system to metrics from one day to another. But couldn't went the government or the legislative to the metrics system step by step? Regards Thomas Finally with Sonork id: 100.10453 Thömmi
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Because of heavy processing requirements, we are currently using some of your unused brain capacity for backup processing. Please ignore any hallucinations, voices or unusual dreams you may experience. Please avoid concentration-intensive tasks until further notice. Thank you.I'd say for the USA it would need to be a 20 yr process, so it would need to pass through various different governments and administrations etc. I hope they are teaching metrics to kids in schools, so at least they have some understanding, and making a change will be easier. Learning the metric system takes a minor fraction of the time of using the imperial system. And the pay off for changing to metrics would be slow in coming. Regardz Colin J Davies
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"real Americans don't criticize their leaders - because they don't want the terrorists to win." -- Quote from Chris Losinger a real American"
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If I had to guess, I would say the cost would be ENORMOUS to replace all signs, measuring cups, tire sizes, etc. (Not to mention the fact that we would be admitting that we're wrong about something). ;P I vote pro metric! Jon Sagara "... where the beer flows like wine, and the women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano ..."
Jon Sagara wrote: (Not to mention the fact that we would be admitting that we're wrong about something). That is probably the main reason why the USA hasn't changed. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
"real Americans don't criticize their leaders - because they don't want the terrorists to win." -- Quote from Chris Losinger a real American"
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I do not talk about switching from the empirial system to metrics from one day to another. But couldn't went the government or the legislative to the metrics system step by step? Regards Thomas Finally with Sonork id: 100.10453 Thömmi
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Because of heavy processing requirements, we are currently using some of your unused brain capacity for backup processing. Please ignore any hallucinations, voices or unusual dreams you may experience. Please avoid concentration-intensive tasks until further notice. Thank you.Sure, but it's so woven into the fabric of our society that it would take forever and 3 days to change everything over. Of course I'm exaggerating, and I know that a changeover is possible, but our gov't, and the whole nation for that matter, have no pressing to need switch to the metric system. Jon Sagara "... where the beer flows like wine, and the women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano ..."
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I'd say for the USA it would need to be a 20 yr process, so it would need to pass through various different governments and administrations etc. I hope they are teaching metrics to kids in schools, so at least they have some understanding, and making a change will be easier. Learning the metric system takes a minor fraction of the time of using the imperial system. And the pay off for changing to metrics would be slow in coming. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
"real Americans don't criticize their leaders - because they don't want the terrorists to win." -- Quote from Chris Losinger a real American"
We (my schoolmates from the early years) learned to convert back and forth between all of the different units. In chemistry, we usually measured things in L/mL. In college, we learned in both metric and imperial, though metric was by far more popular among the professors. It's happening gradually, but it won't happen totally until the gubment gets behind it. Jon Sagara "... where the beer flows like wine, and the women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano ..."
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Jon Sagara wrote: (Not to mention the fact that we would be admitting that we're wrong about something). That is probably the main reason why the USA hasn't changed. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
"real Americans don't criticize their leaders - because they don't want the terrorists to win." -- Quote from Chris Losinger a real American"
:laugh: Most likely. What a great country. :) Jon Sagara "... where the beer flows like wine, and the women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano ..."
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I look at it this way, time is measured using 60 seconds per minute, 60 minutes per hour, 24 hours per day, 28, 29, 30 or 31 days per month and 12 months per year. It's not till the next levels (decades, centuries, milleniums) that metric applies. Since I'm an "all or nothing" kind of guy and time will never be metric, there is no point in changing to metric for anything else. ;P ;P ;P There is an old SNL sketch about the new "Metric Day"!!! Hilarious!! :laugh:
Mike Mullikin :beer:Our lager, Who art in barrels, Hallowed be thy drink, Thy will be drunk, (I will be drunk) At home as I am in the tavern, Give us this day our foamy head, And forgive us our spillages, As we forgive those who spill against us, And lead us not to incarceration, But deliver us from hangovers, For thine is beer, The bitter and the lager, Forever and ever, Barmen.:beer:
Hahaha. You stand corrected. This is a pet project of mine! Metric Time lives! Everything works great, except that a year is not the period of the Earth's rotation around the sun, which will become increasingly irrelevant as humanity moves away from Earth.
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We (my schoolmates from the early years) learned to convert back and forth between all of the different units. In chemistry, we usually measured things in L/mL. In college, we learned in both metric and imperial, though metric was by far more popular among the professors. It's happening gradually, but it won't happen totally until the gubment gets behind it. Jon Sagara "... where the beer flows like wine, and the women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano ..."
Jon Sagara wrote: It's happening gradually, but it won't happen totally until the gubment gets behind it. We can blame a lot of things on "guberments". But generally guberments either do things to get votes for elections or because lobbies make it worthwhile for them. I don't think anyone will be elected for changing the USA to metrics, so it's going to have to happen as an economic reason, or becuse the makes of measurement equipment would benefit. It's nice to hear that children are learning to use it. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
"real Americans don't criticize their leaders - because they don't want the terrorists to win." -- Quote from Chris Losinger a real American"
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Jon Sagara wrote: It's happening gradually, but it won't happen totally until the gubment gets behind it. We can blame a lot of things on "guberments". But generally guberments either do things to get votes for elections or because lobbies make it worthwhile for them. I don't think anyone will be elected for changing the USA to metrics, so it's going to have to happen as an economic reason, or becuse the makes of measurement equipment would benefit. It's nice to hear that children are learning to use it. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
"real Americans don't criticize their leaders - because they don't want the terrorists to win." -- Quote from Chris Losinger a real American"
****Colin Davies wrote: so it's going to have to happen as an economic reason, or becuse the makes of measurement equipment would benefit. I agree with that. Jon Sagara "... where the beer flows like wine, and the women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano ..."
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Just inspired by a current thread in the lounge: Why do some countries still use their feet to measure distances, even if the metric system has been introduced there for ages? Regards Thomas Finally with Sonork id: 100.10453 Thömmi
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Because of heavy processing requirements, we are currently using some of your unused brain capacity for backup processing. Please ignore any hallucinations, voices or unusual dreams you may experience. Please avoid concentration-intensive tasks until further notice. Thank you.The metric system is obviously better for arithmetic, as we work in base 10 and thus performing calculations in metric is trivial. However, this is irrelevant if i'm "eyeing up" a measurement of some kind; in this situation, i'm making mental (or even physical) comparisons to other objects of known size, such as my fingers, hands, arms, pace, etc. This isn't to say i couldn't learn how many meters a pace is, or how many centemeters thick my finger is; but doing so would be no easier than learning any other arbitrary measurment system. Which is to say, it would be a very long, expensive, error-prone process. Now, this doesn't mean that it won't happen, but it is doubtful any nation-wide movement to implement such a system will ever take off; rather, it is most likely that such a transition, if it does occur, will occur slowly over time, as one system after another gradually converts. Remember, the metric system is nothing new; if it is to be adopted in a given situation, it will be because there is a pressing reason why it should be; obviously, that has not happened in many places yet. ...just my... (ok, what's $0.02 in metric...) ;) --------_**
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Jon Sagara wrote: It's happening gradually, but it won't happen totally until the gubment gets behind it. We can blame a lot of things on "guberments". But generally guberments either do things to get votes for elections or because lobbies make it worthwhile for them. I don't think anyone will be elected for changing the USA to metrics, so it's going to have to happen as an economic reason, or becuse the makes of measurement equipment would benefit. It's nice to hear that children are learning to use it. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
"real Americans don't criticize their leaders - because they don't want the terrorists to win." -- Quote from Chris Losinger a real American"
****Colin Davies wrote: It's nice to hear that children are learning to use it. LOL, not really. The only formal education I got on metric was last year in 7th grade ;P
-Domenic Denicola- [CPUA 0x1337] MadHamster Creations "I was born human. But this was an accident of fate - a condition merely of time and place. I believe it's something we have the power to change..."
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The metric system is obviously better for arithmetic, as we work in base 10 and thus performing calculations in metric is trivial. However, this is irrelevant if i'm "eyeing up" a measurement of some kind; in this situation, i'm making mental (or even physical) comparisons to other objects of known size, such as my fingers, hands, arms, pace, etc. This isn't to say i couldn't learn how many meters a pace is, or how many centemeters thick my finger is; but doing so would be no easier than learning any other arbitrary measurment system. Which is to say, it would be a very long, expensive, error-prone process. Now, this doesn't mean that it won't happen, but it is doubtful any nation-wide movement to implement such a system will ever take off; rather, it is most likely that such a transition, if it does occur, will occur slowly over time, as one system after another gradually converts. Remember, the metric system is nothing new; if it is to be adopted in a given situation, it will be because there is a pressing reason why it should be; obviously, that has not happened in many places yet. ...just my... (ok, what's $0.02 in metric...) ;) --------_**
And we die young. Faster we run.
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Alice in Chains, We Die Young
I gotta agree with your post. NZ changed to metrics in 365 days, successfully. There have been a couple of surveys done of how countries changed and NZ ranked at the top. Part of the reason for this is NZ's relatively small size. The Carter Admin spent a lot of money recording how NZ had changed, wanting to implement similar methods for the USA. My 2 cents are that its going to take a lot longer for the USA to change, and the first changes should be teaching the basics of metrics in schools syllabii. I use both systems without any real problems, but doing physics and chem is so much easier in Metrics. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
"real Americans don't criticize their leaders - because they don't want the terrorists to win." -- Quote from Chris Losinger a real American"
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Hahaha. You stand corrected. This is a pet project of mine! Metric Time lives! Everything works great, except that a year is not the period of the Earth's rotation around the sun, which will become increasingly irrelevant as humanity moves away from Earth.
-Domenic Denicola- [CPUA 0x1337] MadHamster Creations "I was born human. But this was an accident of fate - a condition merely of time and place. I believe it's something we have the power to change..."
Domenic [CPUA 0x1337] wrote: Metric Time lives! Interesting project. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
"real Americans don't criticize their leaders - because they don't want the terrorists to win." -- Quote from Chris Losinger a real American"
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Thomas Freudenberg wrote: what are other bodily measurements Even though we are in R&R I don't wanna be explicitly vulgar and spell it out. But I'm sure you can guess. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
"real Americans don't criticize their leaders - because they don't want the terrorists to win." -- Quote from Chris Losinger a real American"
One of the reasons women are confused about conversions like this is because for generations we've been saying "inches" when we should have said "centimeters."
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I'd say for the USA it would need to be a 20 yr process, so it would need to pass through various different governments and administrations etc. I hope they are teaching metrics to kids in schools, so at least they have some understanding, and making a change will be easier. Learning the metric system takes a minor fraction of the time of using the imperial system. And the pay off for changing to metrics would be slow in coming. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
"real Americans don't criticize their leaders - because they don't want the terrorists to win." -- Quote from Chris Losinger a real American"
The metric system has been the legal "official" measurement system of the US since the Congress passed a law to that effect in the 1890's. We've had just a spot of trouble getting the herd to adopt it.
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Jon Sagara wrote: It's happening gradually, but it won't happen totally until the gubment gets behind it. We can blame a lot of things on "guberments". But generally guberments either do things to get votes for elections or because lobbies make it worthwhile for them. I don't think anyone will be elected for changing the USA to metrics, so it's going to have to happen as an economic reason, or becuse the makes of measurement equipment would benefit. It's nice to hear that children are learning to use it. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
"real Americans don't criticize their leaders - because they don't want the terrorists to win." -- Quote from Chris Losinger a real American"
In college, we used nothing else but the SI (metric) system, except for the Mechanical Engineers. They still want to play with lb-force, slugs, btus and the like.