What's wrong with higher education?
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Bradml wrote:
racial model of the school (which is completely BS)
Which one is BS? The racial model of the school or him not agreeing with it?
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The model was pretty much you cannot show any distaste towards someone of another culture, not even if they do something to you.
Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
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Did your Maths professor hire a prostitute to act as his date for a christmas party? Then subsequently propose to her... Get married... And have her leave after two weeks?
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:laugh::laugh: Hum, no, he's not the same than mine. Mine was less spectacular... he just wanted to demonstrate travel outside the body was real and created a theory based on space and time shift.
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Where do you expect us to go when the bombs fall?
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K(arl) wrote:
IMHO a good teacher doesn't enumerate knowlesge but give the means to learn.
A good teacher does both. Books present knowledge. Are they a bad thing? The "means to learn" is often just access to sources that present knowledge. Why shouldn't the teacher be one of them?
K(arl) wrote:
Enabling the student to make a study and then discuss it can be a good start to introduce what a scientific approach is, especially if is flawed.
Second guessing the teacher on the most appropriate pedagogy from this distance seems like a bad idea to me. For example, neither of us knows at what point in the course/degree this controversy took place. Perhaps the student already had ample opportunity to learn some stuff and had just not done so.
K(arl) wrote:
Ignorance? AFAIK, the correlation between human activities and global warming is not a demonstrated fact yet.
A claim which is not inconsistent with the fact that most controversy on the subject is fuelled by ignorance.
John Carson
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John Carson wrote:
Why shouldn't the teacher be one of them?
Because 'feeding from the top"' doesn't work with the majority of students. Just a fraction of them are able to learn that way, most don't. If a teacher just displays data, like reading a book to the students, I bet most of them won't learn anything. The teacher will get much more better results if (s)he can push his/her students to be proactive. Of course, the teacher would need to do much more preparation work, at least to adapt his/her teaching to his/her public. Teachers should be also psychologists.
John Carson wrote:
A claim which is not inconsistent with the fact that most controversy on the subject is fuelled by ignorance.
After all, 'All I know is I know nothing' :)
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John Carson wrote:
Why shouldn't the teacher be one of them?
Because 'feeding from the top"' doesn't work with the majority of students. Just a fraction of them are able to learn that way, most don't. If a teacher just displays data, like reading a book to the students, I bet most of them won't learn anything. The teacher will get much more better results if (s)he can push his/her students to be proactive. Of course, the teacher would need to do much more preparation work, at least to adapt his/her teaching to his/her public. Teachers should be also psychologists.
John Carson wrote:
A claim which is not inconsistent with the fact that most controversy on the subject is fuelled by ignorance.
After all, 'All I know is I know nothing' :)
K(arl) wrote:
Because 'feeding from the top"' doesn't work with the majority of students. Just a fraction of them are able to learn that way, most don't. If a teacher just displays data, like reading a book to the students, I bet most of them won't learn anything.
Yes, if a teacher just "displays data" then that is ineffective teaching. If a teacher can explain something in an engaging way, however, then this can provide the platform that students can build on as they work through exercises, explore extensions of the argument and so on. In my observation, students very much like a verbal introduction to a topic. They also like to see problems solved "live" and find written material dry in comparison. I agree that students learn nothing if they just sit passively and don't engage with the material. This discussion, however, has involved two distinct issues which I think your arguments have confounded. One issue is the principle of "active learning" versus "passive learning". The other is the issue of "teacher directed" versus "student directed" learning. Teacher directed learning may be either active or passive. Student directed learning tends to be active. Personally, I favour (most of the time) teacher-directed active learning. Each new cohort of students is a fresh group of savages. Passing on to them the accumulated wisdom of the best minds requires that teachers take the lead in determining what is to be studied.
John Carson
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The model was pretty much you cannot show any distaste towards someone of another culture, not even if they do something to you.
Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
Bradml wrote:
The model was pretty much you cannot show any distaste towards someone of another culture, not even if they do something to you.
That is going overboard. If I have something to say about someone that I don't like I have the right to say it regardless of the person's race or religion. That model is truly bullshit and I would not tolerate it.
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