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Be Brave --- Tell Us All You Want to Lose in Iraq

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  • S Stan Shannon

    The isn't what happened at all. We invaded Iraq becuase Saddam was a dangerous, unstable madman unwilling to comply with numerous UN mandates and contained only by the presence of massive military force. I opposed the invasion, but not because it was not perfectal justified both militarily,politically and legally. After we had successfully liberated Iraq from Saddam's tyranny, then, other powers in the region, includeing Iran, Syria and al queda, instigated violent terrorist activities to prevent a successful transition to a stable democractic government. The fight with terrorism was brought to us, we did not intentionally invite it. But we are now engaged there. Effectively, there is no difference in us fighting Islamic fundamentalims in IRaq than there was fighting Nazis in France or Japanese in the Phillipines. It is they who choose to make Iraq an issue they wish to fight for. We should oblige them.

    Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about

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    You've got a point, but I wonder if it takes a dangerous unstable madman to control that region.

    This statement was never false.

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      You've got a point, but I wonder if it takes a dangerous unstable madman to control that region.

      This statement was never false.

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      Frankly, I think it is entirely appropriate for us to give at least one muslim nation the opportunity to prove otherwise. We did, indeed, create strong men like Saddam to aide us during the Cold war. He was ultimately our responsibility to deal with. But if the middle east cannot reform, what choice are we ultimately going to have but to wage a much more lethal conflict against them. The status quo of ever more deadly and destructive terrorist attacks from "stateless" terrorist simply cannot be endured perpetually. If they can't reform voluntarily, they will have to be reformed involuntarily.

      Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about

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        Frankly, I think it is entirely appropriate for us to give at least one muslim nation the opportunity to prove otherwise. We did, indeed, create strong men like Saddam to aide us during the Cold war. He was ultimately our responsibility to deal with. But if the middle east cannot reform, what choice are we ultimately going to have but to wage a much more lethal conflict against them. The status quo of ever more deadly and destructive terrorist attacks from "stateless" terrorist simply cannot be endured perpetually. If they can't reform voluntarily, they will have to be reformed involuntarily.

        Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about

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        Chris Kaiser
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        Lofty goals. If only we have the resources to go the distance. Do you think there would be a threat to the states if we didn't have our hands in all of their cookie jars?

        This statement was never false.

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          Lofty goals. If only we have the resources to go the distance. Do you think there would be a threat to the states if we didn't have our hands in all of their cookie jars?

          This statement was never false.

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          Stan Shannon
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          Chris-Kaiser wrote:

          If only we have the resources to go the distance.

          We have far more than enough. It is silly to think otherwise.

          Chris-Kaiser wrote:

          Do you think there would be a threat to the states if we didn't have our hands in all of their cookie jars?

          We were drawn into being the custodian of all the cookie jars by the circumstances of the 20th century. If not for us the world would still be ruled by European imperial powers. We can damn well put our hands into any cookie jar we feel the need to.

          Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about

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            Chris-Kaiser wrote:

            If only we have the resources to go the distance.

            We have far more than enough. It is silly to think otherwise.

            Chris-Kaiser wrote:

            Do you think there would be a threat to the states if we didn't have our hands in all of their cookie jars?

            We were drawn into being the custodian of all the cookie jars by the circumstances of the 20th century. If not for us the world would still be ruled by European imperial powers. We can damn well put our hands into any cookie jar we feel the need to.

            Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about

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            Sounds like Imperialism by fiat. What have we done for them lately?

            This statement was never false.

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