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Where are the apologies?

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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2112302,00.html[^]

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      http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2112302,00.html[^]

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      73Zeppelin
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      Why should they apologize to the mafia for not following through with the contract? Or maybe you mean the apologies to the Cuban people for not setting them free?


      "The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduce them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim." -Gustave Le Bon

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        http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2112302,00.html[^]

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        AndyKEnZ wrote:

        http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2112302,00.html\[^\]

        I apologize for the lack of success.

        Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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          AndyKEnZ wrote:

          http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2112302,00.html\[^\]

          I apologize for the lack of success.

          Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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          Ditto.

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            http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2112302,00.html[^]

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            Diego Moita
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            For me, this is not news at all. The CIA did this kind of stuff extensively in Latin America, Southern Asia, Middle East and Africa all through the 20th century: teaching torture to local police, supporting fascist dictatorships and death squads, ousting democratic governments just because they were not friendly, etc. The examples are many: the military juntas in Brazil and Argentina, the Pinochet coup against Allende in Chile, the contras in Nicaragua, the civil war in El Salvador, the Mossadegh ousting and support for Reza Pahlavi in Iran, etc. This is why I find it laughable that some americans claim any higher moral ground of the US foreign police over the islamofascists. Guantanamo and Abu-Ghraib didn't surprise me.


            Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.

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              For me, this is not news at all. The CIA did this kind of stuff extensively in Latin America, Southern Asia, Middle East and Africa all through the 20th century: teaching torture to local police, supporting fascist dictatorships and death squads, ousting democratic governments just because they were not friendly, etc. The examples are many: the military juntas in Brazil and Argentina, the Pinochet coup against Allende in Chile, the contras in Nicaragua, the civil war in El Salvador, the Mossadegh ousting and support for Reza Pahlavi in Iran, etc. This is why I find it laughable that some americans claim any higher moral ground of the US foreign police over the islamofascists. Guantanamo and Abu-Ghraib didn't surprise me.


              Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.

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              Don't blame the fact that your continent is in the gutter on the US.

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                For me, this is not news at all. The CIA did this kind of stuff extensively in Latin America, Southern Asia, Middle East and Africa all through the 20th century: teaching torture to local police, supporting fascist dictatorships and death squads, ousting democratic governments just because they were not friendly, etc. The examples are many: the military juntas in Brazil and Argentina, the Pinochet coup against Allende in Chile, the contras in Nicaragua, the civil war in El Salvador, the Mossadegh ousting and support for Reza Pahlavi in Iran, etc. This is why I find it laughable that some americans claim any higher moral ground of the US foreign police over the islamofascists. Guantanamo and Abu-Ghraib didn't surprise me.


                Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.

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                Diego Moita wrote:

                For me, this is not news at all.

                I agree it's not news, but there are on many these forums who reside where this news might not be transmitted (the USA for example) and it's good to educate people :laugh: There's no reason to think the leopard has changed its spots.

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                  Diego Moita wrote:

                  For me, this is not news at all.

                  I agree it's not news, but there are on many these forums who reside where this news might not be transmitted (the USA for example) and it's good to educate people :laugh: There's no reason to think the leopard has changed its spots.

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                  AndyKEnZ wrote:

                  I agree it's not news, but there are on many these forums who reside where this news might not be transmitted (the USA for example) and it's good to educate people

                  You mean where it's not filtered and rehashed to promote the Marxist agenda? Sure it is. That's what the New York Times is for.

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                    Don't blame the fact that your continent is in the gutter on the US.

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                    Red Stateler wrote:

                    Don't blame the fact that your continent is in the gutter on the US.

                    Thanks troll, you actually reinforced part of my point.


                    Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.

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                      AndyKEnZ wrote:

                      http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2112302,00.html\[^\]

                      I apologize for the lack of success.

                      Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                      So you see using a mafia hitman to solve a political situation not to your liking acceptable do you? Well I suppose if it's OK to do the same to your presidents, you must.

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                        Red Stateler wrote:

                        Don't blame the fact that your continent is in the gutter on the US.

                        Thanks troll, you actually reinforced part of my point.


                        Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.

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                        Diego Moita wrote:

                        Thanks troll, you actually reinforced part of my point.

                        That Latin American countries are inherently unstable (just look at Venezuela...Was there "CIA involvement" there?) because you lack the caliber of people to generate a useful society? Well, good. Acceptance is the first step.

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                          So you see using a mafia hitman to solve a political situation not to your liking acceptable do you? Well I suppose if it's OK to do the same to your presidents, you must.

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                          AndyKEnZ wrote:

                          So you see using a mafia hitman to solve a political situation not to your liking acceptable do you?

                          You find iron-fist communist dictators who kill thousands while overthrowing democracy acceptable, do you?

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                            So you see using a mafia hitman to solve a political situation not to your liking acceptable do you? Well I suppose if it's OK to do the same to your presidents, you must.

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                            AndyKEnZ wrote:

                            So you see using a mafia hitman to solve a political situation not to your liking acceptable do you?

                            and Castro came to power, how? and he stays in power, how?

                            Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                              http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2112302,00.html[^]

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                              Lost User
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                              Nothing new, or old here. The CIA tried to overthrow Chavez in Venezuela a few years back.

                              Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                                http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2112302,00.html[^]

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                                If you lot wouldn't whinge every time they (the US) wanted to do things overtly, ie send the army in, (anywhere) they wouldn't have to resort to covert methods. And if you Yanks weren't so goddam whimpish in the face of such toothless opposition we'd all be better off. Saddam Hussein would have been finished off in 1990 if you'd stuck to your guns.... (literally!) Say what you like about the US, there are two things I know which cancel out any negatives: they are still the free-est nation on Earth, and never mind what claptrap you read in the papers, you go anywhere in the poorest parts of the world and EVERYONE (apart from a few religious nuts) aspires to what the US is. And remember this fact too: unlike just about every other nation in history, the US got where she is solely by the grace of her own hard work, and did it all in 200 years. (Yes, a few slaves helped, but you might remember that us nasty white Westerners are again just about the only peoples in history to ever voluntarily abolish slavery.) If the US needs to apologise for being who they are, then the rest of us shuold just drop dead of shame. Fred

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                                  http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2112302,00.html[^]

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                                  AndyKEnZ wrote:

                                  Where are the apologies?

                                  I don't know why you haven't apologized for posting yet another link with no quote and no comment and indication otherwise of whether anyone should take interest or not. You tell me... ;P :rolleyes:

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                                    If you lot wouldn't whinge every time they (the US) wanted to do things overtly, ie send the army in, (anywhere) they wouldn't have to resort to covert methods. And if you Yanks weren't so goddam whimpish in the face of such toothless opposition we'd all be better off. Saddam Hussein would have been finished off in 1990 if you'd stuck to your guns.... (literally!) Say what you like about the US, there are two things I know which cancel out any negatives: they are still the free-est nation on Earth, and never mind what claptrap you read in the papers, you go anywhere in the poorest parts of the world and EVERYONE (apart from a few religious nuts) aspires to what the US is. And remember this fact too: unlike just about every other nation in history, the US got where she is solely by the grace of her own hard work, and did it all in 200 years. (Yes, a few slaves helped, but you might remember that us nasty white Westerners are again just about the only peoples in history to ever voluntarily abolish slavery.) If the US needs to apologise for being who they are, then the rest of us shuold just drop dead of shame. Fred

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                                    Le centriste
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                                    Fred_Smith wrote:

                                    you go anywhere in the poorest parts of the world and EVERYONE (apart from a few religious nuts) aspires to what the US is

                                    Only the money.

                                    ----- If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown

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                                      Fred_Smith wrote:

                                      you go anywhere in the poorest parts of the world and EVERYONE (apart from a few religious nuts) aspires to what the US is

                                      Only the money.

                                      ----- If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown

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                                      Le Centriste wrote:

                                      Only the money.

                                      a) What's wrong with that? Do you know what money really is? (No, that's not a trick question.) b) Actually, I think you;'re wrong. They want the "self-evident" truths of the US Declaration of Independence. They want life, liberty and the right to pursue their dreams and happiness. It really is as simple as that for most people.

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