Today Jesse Jackson Weeps
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The Supreme Court on Thursday rejected integration plans in two major public
school districts but left the door open for using race to assign students in
limited circumstances.
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"The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on
the basis of race," Roberts said.Nice! For the record, the "door left open" was done so by Justice Kennedy's opinion, which differed from the majority opinion. He thought that universally restricting race-based considerations might be going too far. Chief Justice Roberts stated that integration programs have always been unconstitutional. I love this new Supreme Court!
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The Supreme Court on Thursday rejected integration plans in two major public
school districts but left the door open for using race to assign students in
limited circumstances.
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"The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on
the basis of race," Roberts said.Nice! For the record, the "door left open" was done so by Justice Kennedy's opinion, which differed from the majority opinion. He thought that universally restricting race-based considerations might be going too far. Chief Justice Roberts stated that integration programs have always been unconstitutional. I love this new Supreme Court!
I'm not sure I understand...what is an "integration plan"? On another note, CNN is flapping about some town in Texas that is using Spanish as it's "official" operating language. Apparently all documents and business of the city are recorded in Spanish, etc...
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I'm not sure I understand...what is an "integration plan"? On another note, CNN is flapping about some town in Texas that is using Spanish as it's "official" operating language. Apparently all documents and business of the city are recorded in Spanish, etc...
73Zeppelin wrote:
I'm not sure I understand...what is an "integration plan"?
When I was in Junior High School (in Florida), I was placed on a 45-minute bus ride straight into the ghetto so that I was in a school that was more...racially proportionate. The school was fenced in, but that didn't seem to keep the drug dealers out. I remember one "kid" (who must have been at least 16 or 17 years old) in this junior high school (basically 13 year olds) who looked very thugged out. This was done for the sole purpose of "integrating" us. That process has just been ruled unconstitutional.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
I'm not sure I understand...what is an "integration plan"?
When I was in Junior High School (in Florida), I was placed on a 45-minute bus ride straight into the ghetto so that I was in a school that was more...racially proportionate. The school was fenced in, but that didn't seem to keep the drug dealers out. I remember one "kid" (who must have been at least 16 or 17 years old) in this junior high school (basically 13 year olds) who looked very thugged out. This was done for the sole purpose of "integrating" us. That process has just been ruled unconstitutional.
Red Stateler wrote:
When I was in Junior High School (in Florida), I was placed on a 45-minute bus ride straight into the ghetto so that I was in a school that was more...racially proportionate. The school was fenced in, but that didn't seem to keep the drug dealers out. I remember one "kid" (who must have been at least 16 or 17 years old) in this junior high school (basically 13 year olds) who looked very thugged out. This was done for the sole purpose of "integrating" us. That process has just been ruled unconstitutional.
In Canada they ship you to whatever school is closest to you. But I'm still having trouble understanding... You were 45 mins away from school? There were none closer? And, if that's not the case, what was the point of shipping you 45 mins away? I still don't get it... As for drug dealers, that's no biggie. Every night I walk home I pass about 6-7 of them on average going through the tunnel under the central train station here. Two nights ago the cops were chasing about 4 of them. The very next night they were all back in their usual position. Mind you, I'm big enough that they don't mess much with me - mostly the addicts pester me for money and I do my best to keep them from coming in contact with me...
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Red Stateler wrote:
When I was in Junior High School (in Florida), I was placed on a 45-minute bus ride straight into the ghetto so that I was in a school that was more...racially proportionate. The school was fenced in, but that didn't seem to keep the drug dealers out. I remember one "kid" (who must have been at least 16 or 17 years old) in this junior high school (basically 13 year olds) who looked very thugged out. This was done for the sole purpose of "integrating" us. That process has just been ruled unconstitutional.
In Canada they ship you to whatever school is closest to you. But I'm still having trouble understanding... You were 45 mins away from school? There were none closer? And, if that's not the case, what was the point of shipping you 45 mins away? I still don't get it... As for drug dealers, that's no biggie. Every night I walk home I pass about 6-7 of them on average going through the tunnel under the central train station here. Two nights ago the cops were chasing about 4 of them. The very next night they were all back in their usual position. Mind you, I'm big enough that they don't mess much with me - mostly the addicts pester me for money and I do my best to keep them from coming in contact with me...
73Zeppelin wrote:
what was the point of shipping you 45 mins away? I still don't get it...
It's what we call a "Band-Aid solution", named after a handy gauze-and-stickytape product that can be used to hide gaping, festering wounds until they've become so infected that they begin to attack other parts of the body...
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Yes, but can you blame them for doing so if that's the only legal way they can hire programmers they want at the rate they can afford?
-- Nish on sketchy hiring practices
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Red Stateler wrote:
When I was in Junior High School (in Florida), I was placed on a 45-minute bus ride straight into the ghetto so that I was in a school that was more...racially proportionate. The school was fenced in, but that didn't seem to keep the drug dealers out. I remember one "kid" (who must have been at least 16 or 17 years old) in this junior high school (basically 13 year olds) who looked very thugged out. This was done for the sole purpose of "integrating" us. That process has just been ruled unconstitutional.
In Canada they ship you to whatever school is closest to you. But I'm still having trouble understanding... You were 45 mins away from school? There were none closer? And, if that's not the case, what was the point of shipping you 45 mins away? I still don't get it... As for drug dealers, that's no biggie. Every night I walk home I pass about 6-7 of them on average going through the tunnel under the central train station here. Two nights ago the cops were chasing about 4 of them. The very next night they were all back in their usual position. Mind you, I'm big enough that they don't mess much with me - mostly the addicts pester me for money and I do my best to keep them from coming in contact with me...
For public schooling, geographical catchment areas used in the UK, but if it is your parents choice to send you elsewhere, and your children (as mine did) meet the other schools entry qualification, then that is fine. So I can understand a 45 minute bus ride. But some entry requirements are deliberately made hard to reach...
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Red Stateler wrote:
When I was in Junior High School (in Florida), I was placed on a 45-minute bus ride straight into the ghetto so that I was in a school that was more...racially proportionate. The school was fenced in, but that didn't seem to keep the drug dealers out. I remember one "kid" (who must have been at least 16 or 17 years old) in this junior high school (basically 13 year olds) who looked very thugged out. This was done for the sole purpose of "integrating" us. That process has just been ruled unconstitutional.
In Canada they ship you to whatever school is closest to you. But I'm still having trouble understanding... You were 45 mins away from school? There were none closer? And, if that's not the case, what was the point of shipping you 45 mins away? I still don't get it... As for drug dealers, that's no biggie. Every night I walk home I pass about 6-7 of them on average going through the tunnel under the central train station here. Two nights ago the cops were chasing about 4 of them. The very next night they were all back in their usual position. Mind you, I'm big enough that they don't mess much with me - mostly the addicts pester me for money and I do my best to keep them from coming in contact with me...
In 'integrated' school environments, the ratio of students by 'race' in a school must race the ratio of students by 'race' in the school district. So, if 25% of the students are of a given 'race', then students will be assigned to that school to fulfill that ratio. It is entirely possible that students as young as 5 will be waiting at a bus stop at 5:00 AM for a 2 hour bus ride so that the school race ratio is 'balanced'. I hope that explains the issue, but certainly doesn't justify it. Tim
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In 'integrated' school environments, the ratio of students by 'race' in a school must race the ratio of students by 'race' in the school district. So, if 25% of the students are of a given 'race', then students will be assigned to that school to fulfill that ratio. It is entirely possible that students as young as 5 will be waiting at a bus stop at 5:00 AM for a 2 hour bus ride so that the school race ratio is 'balanced'. I hope that explains the issue, but certainly doesn't justify it. Tim
Tim Carmichael wrote:
In 'integrated' school environments, the ratio of students by 'race' in a school must race the ratio of students by 'race' in the school district. So, if 25% of the students are of a given 'race', then students will be assigned to that school to fulfill that ratio. It is entirely possible that students as young as 5 will be waiting at a bus stop at 5:00 AM for a 2 hour bus ride so that the school race ratio is 'balanced'. I hope that explains the issue, but certainly doesn't justify it.
Ah, I understand now. Seems rather bizarre, actually. What's wrong with leaving the natural balance? Actually, it's more suprising that the Supreme Court is just addressing this now..
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For public schooling, geographical catchment areas used in the UK, but if it is your parents choice to send you elsewhere, and your children (as mine did) meet the other schools entry qualification, then that is fine. So I can understand a 45 minute bus ride. But some entry requirements are deliberately made hard to reach...
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
children (as mine did) meet the other schools entry qualification, then that is fine.
This is a public system? You have requirements for a public school?
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Red Stateler wrote:
When I was in Junior High School (in Florida), I was placed on a 45-minute bus ride straight into the ghetto so that I was in a school that was more...racially proportionate. The school was fenced in, but that didn't seem to keep the drug dealers out. I remember one "kid" (who must have been at least 16 or 17 years old) in this junior high school (basically 13 year olds) who looked very thugged out. This was done for the sole purpose of "integrating" us. That process has just been ruled unconstitutional.
In Canada they ship you to whatever school is closest to you. But I'm still having trouble understanding... You were 45 mins away from school? There were none closer? And, if that's not the case, what was the point of shipping you 45 mins away? I still don't get it... As for drug dealers, that's no biggie. Every night I walk home I pass about 6-7 of them on average going through the tunnel under the central train station here. Two nights ago the cops were chasing about 4 of them. The very next night they were all back in their usual position. Mind you, I'm big enough that they don't mess much with me - mostly the addicts pester me for money and I do my best to keep them from coming in contact with me...
73Zeppelin wrote:
In Canada they ship you to whatever school is closest to you. But I'm still having trouble understanding... You were 45 mins away from school? There were none closer? And, if that's not the case, what was the point of shipping you 45 mins away? I still don't get it..
Yes there were many closer schools, but they shipped us into the ghetto in order to forcefully integrate us.
73Zeppelin wrote:
As for drug dealers, that's no biggie. Every night I walk home I pass about 6-7 of them on average going through the tunnel under the central train station here. Two nights ago the cops were chasing about 4 of them. The very next night they were all back in their usual position. Mind you, I'm big enough that they don't mess much with me - mostly the addicts pester me for money and I do my best to keep them from coming in contact with me...
I see drug dealers all the time, but they doesn't mean suburban children should be forced into high crime areas just to pursue the left-wing utopia.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
In Canada they ship you to whatever school is closest to you. But I'm still having trouble understanding... You were 45 mins away from school? There were none closer? And, if that's not the case, what was the point of shipping you 45 mins away? I still don't get it..
Yes there were many closer schools, but they shipped us into the ghetto in order to forcefully integrate us.
73Zeppelin wrote:
As for drug dealers, that's no biggie. Every night I walk home I pass about 6-7 of them on average going through the tunnel under the central train station here. Two nights ago the cops were chasing about 4 of them. The very next night they were all back in their usual position. Mind you, I'm big enough that they don't mess much with me - mostly the addicts pester me for money and I do my best to keep them from coming in contact with me...
I see drug dealers all the time, but they doesn't mean suburban children should be forced into high crime areas just to pursue the left-wing utopia.
Red Stateler wrote:
Yes there were many closer schools, but they shipped us into the ghetto in order to forcefully integrate us.
Yes, Tim explained it. i see now.
Red Stateler wrote:
I see drug dealers all the time, but they doesn't mean suburban children should be forced into high crime areas just to pursue the left-wing utopia.
I agree - it's a pretty silly thing to do, not to mention inefficient for the student.
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For public schooling, geographical catchment areas used in the UK, but if it is your parents choice to send you elsewhere, and your children (as mine did) meet the other schools entry qualification, then that is fine. So I can understand a 45 minute bus ride. But some entry requirements are deliberately made hard to reach...
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
So I can understand a 45 minute bus ride.
A 45 minute bus ride to go to a better school is understandable. To go to the ghetto against your will is not.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Yes there were many closer schools, but they shipped us into the ghetto in order to forcefully integrate us.
Yes, Tim explained it. i see now.
Red Stateler wrote:
I see drug dealers all the time, but they doesn't mean suburban children should be forced into high crime areas just to pursue the left-wing utopia.
I agree - it's a pretty silly thing to do, not to mention inefficient for the student.
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The Supreme Court on Thursday rejected integration plans in two major public
school districts but left the door open for using race to assign students in
limited circumstances.
...
"The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on
the basis of race," Roberts said.Nice! For the record, the "door left open" was done so by Justice Kennedy's opinion, which differed from the majority opinion. He thought that universally restricting race-based considerations might be going too far. Chief Justice Roberts stated that integration programs have always been unconstitutional. I love this new Supreme Court!
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Tim Carmichael wrote:
In 'integrated' school environments, the ratio of students by 'race' in a school must race the ratio of students by 'race' in the school district. So, if 25% of the students are of a given 'race', then students will be assigned to that school to fulfill that ratio. It is entirely possible that students as young as 5 will be waiting at a bus stop at 5:00 AM for a 2 hour bus ride so that the school race ratio is 'balanced'. I hope that explains the issue, but certainly doesn't justify it.
Ah, I understand now. Seems rather bizarre, actually. What's wrong with leaving the natural balance? Actually, it's more suprising that the Supreme Court is just addressing this now..
The SC first addressed it ~40 years ago. At the time it was seen as a brilliant plan to solve the problem of 'separate but equal' (which was anything but) schooling where two kids living next to each other would be bussed to different schools because the whites weren't willing to let their kids attend the same schools as the local black children. X|
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Did it work? Do you have more positive empathy with the groups you were integrated with?
Philosophy: The art of never getting beyond the concept of life.
TClarke wrote:
Did it work? Do you have more positive empathy with the groups you were integrated with?
Of course not. Just the opposite. The only class I even shared with the ghetto kids was gym (since they all took shop and remedial classes). Even in gym, they'd refuse to participate and would get into trouble half the time. If anything, it was the first experience that led me to believe that poor people are poor due to their own making.
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Now if we can just get rid of affirmative action....
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leckey wrote:
Now if we can just get rid of affirmative action....
I'm sure that's next on the list. Clarence Thomas (who is both brilliant and black) flat out said that school integration programs are simply unconstitutional.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
children (as mine did) meet the other schools entry qualification, then that is fine.
This is a public system? You have requirements for a public school?
Public system - yes - the local designated school is where your children would normally attend. However ... Quality of schooling does vary an awful lot. So you have the right to attend another public school if you meet their requirements. Example ... My local high school has a poor academic record. It is attended by a substantial number of "louts" from the neighbouring towns. My village does not have its own high school. The school I applied for for my children is a "DfES Designated Technology College, Training and Leading Edge School", the entry requirements is higher mathematics and science graduates from lower-school education. My children had no problems meeting these requirements and on average, their bus trips each way is around 30 to 40 minutes
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
So I can understand a 45 minute bus ride.
A 45 minute bus ride to go to a better school is understandable. To go to the ghetto against your will is not.
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Has your forced attendance of this ghetto school adversely affected you in your adult life?
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Has your forced attendance of this ghetto school adversely affected you in your adult life?
Yes. To this day I am very scared of the idea of going to prison.