Another irrefutable argument for creation
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Before I answer please clarify:
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
blight
Do you mean attack?
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
What you are saying with regard to demons, if you are not saved, is nowhere to be found in the bible.
What is the question?
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
Well, if I must. But a cursory lookup of Blight should have been enough. A blight is akin to cancer. You had specifically mentioned cancer. That you could get cancer from demon actions against you. I call bullshit. This is a fallacious interpretation of scripture. And that's all it can be is an interpretation. I am asking you directly what verses of scripture that you draw your conclusions from. The mind of man is unassailable by demons both through the spirit of truth that poured out on Pentacost and by the fact that Jesus quenched the rebellion through his incarnation. He bound them. He conquered. So, quote me some scripture. This is something that always bugs me, alot of fellow Christians, including many pastors, read more into scripture than what's there.
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I have often wondered how would you react
Why are you wondering about me?
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Wouldn't that discount the Genesis creation story?
How would it discount the Genesis story?
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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Let me answer your question like this: If you are not a Christian, a non smoker, and generally a nice guy, you can still get cancer. Sounds wrong doesn't it. Man was made prefect and was not meant to be sick. God gave Man a freewill with a Blessing and only one rule was laid out for him, not to eat of the fruit. At that time Man was higher than the Devil and his mob, but after Man disobeyed God he fell under the Devil, by that Man cursed himself. That is to say, God gave the instruction and what the effect of not following the instruction would be. So look at the umbrella, as long as Man followed the instruction Man was under God's umbrella. When Man stepped out from underneath that umbrella, Man was fair game to result.
lintybits wrote:
who may or may not be real
I understand what you are saying here. IMO, from the experiences in my life and the fact that I have tried to disprove the Bible in my life. I have found it true and that it works as it says it does. Think of this though: What was Mona Lisa thinking while she was sitting there? How do you know that there is not life on another planet? Have you ever lost a loved one like a parent or grandparent? -Prove that you loved them. There are somethings that you have to take on faith.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
jason_lakewhitney wrote:
Let me answer your question like this: If you are not a Christian, a non smoker, and generally a nice guy, you can still get cancer. Sounds wrong doesn't it.
Yeah it sounds wrong, but it happens. Does that mean the only possible explanation is Adam? I'm familiar with the genesis creation story, but I don't remember the timeline. How long of a period was it between man being cast out of the garden & the birth of christ?
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jason_lakewhitney wrote:
Let me answer your question like this: If you are not a Christian, a non smoker, and generally a nice guy, you can still get cancer. Sounds wrong doesn't it.
Yeah it sounds wrong, but it happens. Does that mean the only possible explanation is Adam? I'm familiar with the genesis creation story, but I don't remember the timeline. How long of a period was it between man being cast out of the garden & the birth of christ?
lintybits wrote:
How long of a period
~4000 years
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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jason_lakewhitney wrote:
Let me answer your question like this: If you are not a Christian, a non smoker, and generally a nice guy, you can still get cancer. Sounds wrong doesn't it.
Yeah it sounds wrong, but it happens. Does that mean the only possible explanation is Adam? I'm familiar with the genesis creation story, but I don't remember the timeline. How long of a period was it between man being cast out of the garden & the birth of christ?
No precise time line can be established from the text because the genealogies don't necessarily include every generation. The term usually translated 'son of' is equivalent to 'descendent of' or perhaps even 'of the tribe of'. On the other hand if you insert 1000 years for each step where a direct father son relationship can't be established you're still stretching to get more than a few tens of thousands of years. This fits easily enough with the unadjusted earth age data from ice and sediment cores of around about 25000 years. You did ask and I fully expect to get flamed and deluged with links to learned, bearded demi gods insisting on figures of billions of years. As you might guess I have no interest in such Iatolahs. :)
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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No precise time line can be established from the text because the genealogies don't necessarily include every generation. The term usually translated 'son of' is equivalent to 'descendent of' or perhaps even 'of the tribe of'. On the other hand if you insert 1000 years for each step where a direct father son relationship can't be established you're still stretching to get more than a few tens of thousands of years. This fits easily enough with the unadjusted earth age data from ice and sediment cores of around about 25000 years. You did ask and I fully expect to get flamed and deluged with links to learned, bearded demi gods insisting on figures of billions of years. As you might guess I have no interest in such Iatolahs. :)
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Then please do explain petrified wood and its process of becoming opals.
This statement was never false.
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Well, if I must. But a cursory lookup of Blight should have been enough. A blight is akin to cancer. You had specifically mentioned cancer. That you could get cancer from demon actions against you. I call bullshit. This is a fallacious interpretation of scripture. And that's all it can be is an interpretation. I am asking you directly what verses of scripture that you draw your conclusions from. The mind of man is unassailable by demons both through the spirit of truth that poured out on Pentacost and by the fact that Jesus quenched the rebellion through his incarnation. He bound them. He conquered. So, quote me some scripture. This is something that always bugs me, alot of fellow Christians, including many pastors, read more into scripture than what's there.
Okay, first of all one of the biggest problems in Christianity is division, and I am not trying to cause this. We are saying the same thing, you just haven't seen that yet.
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
That you could get cancer from demon actions against you.
Was not Job afflicted by the Devil?
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
He bound them. He conquered.
Yes, completely agree but when does a person began to inherit that victory? I am not trying to say that demons have power over us. What I am saying is that, if we give room or opportunity to demons they will exercise what power they have.
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
So, quote me some scripture.
What would you like? I shall research it to night when I get home and post back.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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Well, if I must. But a cursory lookup of Blight should have been enough. A blight is akin to cancer. You had specifically mentioned cancer. That you could get cancer from demon actions against you. I call bullshit. This is a fallacious interpretation of scripture. And that's all it can be is an interpretation. I am asking you directly what verses of scripture that you draw your conclusions from. The mind of man is unassailable by demons both through the spirit of truth that poured out on Pentacost and by the fact that Jesus quenched the rebellion through his incarnation. He bound them. He conquered. So, quote me some scripture. This is something that always bugs me, alot of fellow Christians, including many pastors, read more into scripture than what's there.
Scripture does not spell out the powers or the limitations of Demons beyond making clear that the devil himself is chained, i.e. limited, but not impotent. In fact it specifically forbids investigation into this area of knowledge under the ban on divination. It is neither wise nor safe. How do you support your claim that the evil one has no purchase on the minds of the unsaved since the resurrection? This is clearly not so, possession still occurs today and the Devil is far from impotent in the world and the minds of men. The teachings of Jesus make it crystal clear that not all will be saved, many will take the broad road to destruction. If evil had no hold on anyone born in the last 2000 years we would already be living in paradise.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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No precise time line can be established from the text because the genealogies don't necessarily include every generation. The term usually translated 'son of' is equivalent to 'descendent of' or perhaps even 'of the tribe of'. On the other hand if you insert 1000 years for each step where a direct father son relationship can't be established you're still stretching to get more than a few tens of thousands of years. This fits easily enough with the unadjusted earth age data from ice and sediment cores of around about 25000 years. You did ask and I fully expect to get flamed and deluged with links to learned, bearded demi gods insisting on figures of billions of years. As you might guess I have no interest in such Iatolahs. :)
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Actually, 25000 yrs was a lot longer than I was expecting. I was just wondering where genesis fit in with the creation myths of other cultures. If it can be traced back to the last ice age then it lines up pretty well. I've always been of the opinion that different religions are just interpretations of the same story with different characters, and all the my god can kick your god's ass is meaningless since it all stems from the same thing. Now I'm going back to the lounge before I'm branded a leftist athiest.
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I'll take "Things that are dumb for $1000, Alex". Another name for teenagers with too much free time that insist on posting ridiculous religious topics just to inflame and/or troll SoapBox-style message boards. What are "dumbasses". Correct for $1000!
Now THAT'S FUNNY!!! ROFLMAO :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: Very imaginitive!!
John P.
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This is about the most ignorant argument for creationism that I have seen yet. http://www.demonbuster.com/id.html From the site: Evolution theory (with no scientific proof) - in recent times, man has been arguing about where HUMANS/LIFE came from. But no one is asking - WHO put the world here? WHERE did mountains come from? WHERE did the oceans come from? WHERE did the sun and moon and other planets come from? WHO put all this stuff there? Seems like these questions override where humans/life came from, and gives the real answer - a Higher Power - Intelligent Design - God!
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
Yes, while I believe in a Creator God, this is pretty stupid. C'mon, at least they should argue intelligently. Such ignorance!
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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Scripture does not spell out the powers or the limitations of Demons beyond making clear that the devil himself is chained, i.e. limited, but not impotent. In fact it specifically forbids investigation into this area of knowledge under the ban on divination. It is neither wise nor safe. How do you support your claim that the evil one has no purchase on the minds of the unsaved since the resurrection? This is clearly not so, possession still occurs today and the Devil is far from impotent in the world and the minds of men. The teachings of Jesus make it crystal clear that not all will be saved, many will take the broad road to destruction. If evil had no hold on anyone born in the last 2000 years we would already be living in paradise.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Then please do explain petrified wood and its process of becoming opals.
This statement was never false.
I have no knowledge of the process of making opals which I'm sure is fascinating. It must be more interesting than the process of making diamonds which takes about 20 minutes and is surprisingly unspectacular. I am aware of Apparently 3 million year old petrified whigs, 9 million year old modern human skeletons dug up in Yugoslavia, infinitely compressible ice which apparently doesn't get any denser when its compressed :omg: and a really neat process of plate tectonics which repaves all the ocean floors every 25000 years or so which of course proves beyond doubt that they must be much older than that or how could they have been repaved so many times! I'm aware of sedimentary rock 3000 feet above sea level a long way from the edge of the Australian plate which is really hard to explain and therefore must be really really really old but doesn't even cause a ripple in the universal flood theory, pun intended, and about the Grand Canyon and the inland sea which formed it by flowing away. I don't have a problem with where the sea came from and why the water didn't flow away before but I guess others do if they think about it at all. All in all I think there are quite enough wooden witches floating around already and I really have no need to explain how to turn wood in opal or lead into gold, both of which are I'm sure entirely possible as neither have any bearing on the topic at hand. ;)
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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I was refering to christians in general. I say it would discount the genesis story because the only life it mentions that God created was humans/animals.
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
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I was refering to christians in general.
I can not answer for Christians in general.
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I say it would discount the genesis story because the only life it mentions that God created was humans/animals.
Also, the context is about Earth. What good would it be for us to have a Bible that was for some other creation on another planet? I will say this, I am not limiting the Power of God by saying there is not life on other planets. My stance is whether or not there is life on other planets is irrelevant to me, I live on Earth.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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Actually, 25000 yrs was a lot longer than I was expecting. I was just wondering where genesis fit in with the creation myths of other cultures. If it can be traced back to the last ice age then it lines up pretty well. I've always been of the opinion that different religions are just interpretations of the same story with different characters, and all the my god can kick your god's ass is meaningless since it all stems from the same thing. Now I'm going back to the lounge before I'm branded a leftist athiest.
I think the common idea you expressed is remarkably close to the truth. All religions are derivative, either from old testament Judaism or from the occult or are esentially based on the ideas of one guy, now dead, who would have been influenced by and may have been reacting against earlier religious ideas from the same sources. All the anamist religions, ancestor worship religions and idol worship religions from shamanism to shintoism are derivative of spiritism or 'the worship of demons' as it should properly be called. Hinduism also falls into this category although it is diluted with much philosophical baggage. Seikism is much similar although from what I have heard it is mixed up with a 'religion of works' concept like Islam or hard core Roman Catholisism e.g. Opus Dei. These religions spring essentially from a misunderstanding of Christianity. There are plenty of sects and splinter groups and '3rd ways' but essentailly people either worship demons, usually unwittingly, ensalve themselves to sterile religious law (The decayed state of Old Testament Judaism by the time of Christ for example), worship themselves, money or a random celebrity which covers most of the modern western world or worship the one true God who created the universe and everything in it. I've no doubt somebody will point up some exceptions, worshipers of computational chemistry or something but you see my point.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
In fact it specifically forbids investigation into this area of knowledge under the ban on divination. It is neither wise nor safe.
But it is rather convenient. ;P
Please clarify what you think is convenient and to whom?
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Please clarify what you think is convenient and to whom?
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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I think the common idea you expressed is remarkably close to the truth. All religions are derivative, either from old testament Judaism or from the occult or are esentially based on the ideas of one guy, now dead, who would have been influenced by and may have been reacting against earlier religious ideas from the same sources. All the anamist religions, ancestor worship religions and idol worship religions from shamanism to shintoism are derivative of spiritism or 'the worship of demons' as it should properly be called. Hinduism also falls into this category although it is diluted with much philosophical baggage. Seikism is much similar although from what I have heard it is mixed up with a 'religion of works' concept like Islam or hard core Roman Catholisism e.g. Opus Dei. These religions spring essentially from a misunderstanding of Christianity. There are plenty of sects and splinter groups and '3rd ways' but essentailly people either worship demons, usually unwittingly, ensalve themselves to sterile religious law (The decayed state of Old Testament Judaism by the time of Christ for example), worship themselves, money or a random celebrity which covers most of the modern western world or worship the one true God who created the universe and everything in it. I've no doubt somebody will point up some exceptions, worshipers of computational chemistry or something but you see my point.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
but you see my point
Really? :~
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Please clarify what you think is convenient and to whom?
Seems convenient that those who wrote the scriptures can forbid investigation into their veracity. No?
Not at all. If you would go to Demons to confirm the voracity of the scriptures then you would be a fool. The scriptures confirm their own voracity as only the word of God can. Read them and pray that the Spirit of God will give you the wisdom to understand what you're reading and you may see for yourself.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Not at all. If you would go to Demons to confirm the voracity of the scriptures then you would be a fool. The scriptures confirm their own voracity as only the word of God can. Read them and pray that the Spirit of God will give you the wisdom to understand what you're reading and you may see for yourself.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.