This shouldn't be constitutional.
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A man was just executed for a crime he commited when he was 17 years old. If you are considered incapable of making rational choises and are unable legally to sign contracts, vote or drink alchol, then why should you be punished the same way an adult is? This is common sense and follows simple geometric logic. I am embarrased that we are still such barbarians, and we will look back on this time and realize we are no better than the evil slave traders and Native American killers of our past with such aburdity such as circumcision, and executing crimminals for crimes they committed as minors. Here's the CNN link: CNN After a poor performance in London in 1899, Steinitz went insane and died a year later on August 12, 1900 at Wards Island, N.Y.
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A man was just executed for a crime he commited when he was 17 years old. If you are considered incapable of making rational choises and are unable legally to sign contracts, vote or drink alchol, then why should you be punished the same way an adult is? This is common sense and follows simple geometric logic. I am embarrased that we are still such barbarians, and we will look back on this time and realize we are no better than the evil slave traders and Native American killers of our past with such aburdity such as circumcision, and executing crimminals for crimes they committed as minors. Here's the CNN link: CNN After a poor performance in London in 1899, Steinitz went insane and died a year later on August 12, 1900 at Wards Island, N.Y.
Martin Marvinski wrote: A man was just executed for a crime he commited when he was 17 years old. If you are considered incapable of making rational choises and are unable legally to sign contracts, vote or drink alchol, then why should you be punished the same way an adult is? this is not allowed here in my country... not even death sentense Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 Trank :jig: I've gone sending to outer space, to find another race :jig:
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A man was just executed for a crime he commited when he was 17 years old. If you are considered incapable of making rational choises and are unable legally to sign contracts, vote or drink alchol, then why should you be punished the same way an adult is? This is common sense and follows simple geometric logic. I am embarrased that we are still such barbarians, and we will look back on this time and realize we are no better than the evil slave traders and Native American killers of our past with such aburdity such as circumcision, and executing crimminals for crimes they committed as minors. Here's the CNN link: CNN After a poor performance in London in 1899, Steinitz went insane and died a year later on August 12, 1900 at Wards Island, N.Y.
shooting Luttig -- whose son is now a federal judge For starters I wonder how much influence is involved there. I agree that it is sad that you are treated like an adult but not given the rights of an adult, however, he did commit murder and it doesn't matter what age you are it is still wrong. Just my 2 cents. -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179
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A man was just executed for a crime he commited when he was 17 years old. If you are considered incapable of making rational choises and are unable legally to sign contracts, vote or drink alchol, then why should you be punished the same way an adult is? This is common sense and follows simple geometric logic. I am embarrased that we are still such barbarians, and we will look back on this time and realize we are no better than the evil slave traders and Native American killers of our past with such aburdity such as circumcision, and executing crimminals for crimes they committed as minors. Here's the CNN link: CNN After a poor performance in London in 1899, Steinitz went insane and died a year later on August 12, 1900 at Wards Island, N.Y.
I agree with you 100% BUT, as they say: "If you want to kill somebody, don't do it in Texas..." Rules are rules, laws are laws. Whether these laws make sense or not they must be followed. BTW, in Malta we just removed the death sentence last month. Of course nobody has been executed for hundreds of years. Drinking In The Sun Forgot Password?
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A man was just executed for a crime he commited when he was 17 years old. If you are considered incapable of making rational choises and are unable legally to sign contracts, vote or drink alchol, then why should you be punished the same way an adult is? This is common sense and follows simple geometric logic. I am embarrased that we are still such barbarians, and we will look back on this time and realize we are no better than the evil slave traders and Native American killers of our past with such aburdity such as circumcision, and executing crimminals for crimes they committed as minors. Here's the CNN link: CNN After a poor performance in London in 1899, Steinitz went insane and died a year later on August 12, 1900 at Wards Island, N.Y.
And why does not being able to legally vote, drink, or enter into a legal contract make it less wrong to murder? He was young and stupid, no doubt, but do you seriously believe he didn't know, at some level, that stealing cars and killing old men is not a socially acceptable activity? The court was well aware of his age at the time of the crime, and yet they saw fit to condem him inspite of it. Being young and stupid does not force someone to become eventually old and stupid, but it happens quite a lot just the same. The state of Texas has graciously ensured Napoleon Beazley will not make this mistake. Martin Marvinski wrote: This is common sense and follows simple geometric logic. Apart from Beazley's proximity to Texas having an dramatic effect on his life expectancy, what does geometry have to do with this? Martin Marvinski wrote: I am embarrased that we are still such barbarians Yeah, me too. Eight years it took us to get one murderer executed... pathetic. Ah, well, technology will improve... --------
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A man was just executed for a crime he commited when he was 17 years old. If you are considered incapable of making rational choises and are unable legally to sign contracts, vote or drink alchol, then why should you be punished the same way an adult is? This is common sense and follows simple geometric logic. I am embarrased that we are still such barbarians, and we will look back on this time and realize we are no better than the evil slave traders and Native American killers of our past with such aburdity such as circumcision, and executing crimminals for crimes they committed as minors. Here's the CNN link: CNN After a poor performance in London in 1899, Steinitz went insane and died a year later on August 12, 1900 at Wards Island, N.Y.
So you wouldn't oppose it if he was just one year older ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
More about me :-)
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A man was just executed for a crime he commited when he was 17 years old. If you are considered incapable of making rational choises and are unable legally to sign contracts, vote or drink alchol, then why should you be punished the same way an adult is? This is common sense and follows simple geometric logic. I am embarrased that we are still such barbarians, and we will look back on this time and realize we are no better than the evil slave traders and Native American killers of our past with such aburdity such as circumcision, and executing crimminals for crimes they committed as minors. Here's the CNN link: CNN After a poor performance in London in 1899, Steinitz went insane and died a year later on August 12, 1900 at Wards Island, N.Y.
I'd rather this guy wasn't let back into society. 17 is plenty old enough to know better. Like it or not, I'm right.
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So you wouldn't oppose it if he was just one year older ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
More about me :-)
I'm thinking it would be best to take the 'adult' age down to 16 or 17. It seems that we're beginning to mature a lot sooner now; and I know I've been responsible for myself since I was 16. If we can trust a kid to drive when they are 16 why can't we trust them to vote and smoke? Last I checked electing someone to office didn't kill anyone directly; but there are numerous fatal collisions everyday caused by 'minors'. James Simplicity Rules!
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I'm thinking it would be best to take the 'adult' age down to 16 or 17. It seems that we're beginning to mature a lot sooner now; and I know I've been responsible for myself since I was 16. If we can trust a kid to drive when they are 16 why can't we trust them to vote and smoke? Last I checked electing someone to office didn't kill anyone directly; but there are numerous fatal collisions everyday caused by 'minors'. James Simplicity Rules!
Alicia Silverstone looked awesome when she was just 14. Maybe adult age should be 14 for girls and 16 for guys Nish
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
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Alicia Silverstone looked awesome when she was just 14. Maybe adult age should be 14 for girls and 16 for guys Nish
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
Nish - Native CPian wrote: Alicia Silverstone looked awesome when she was just 14. Maybe adult age should be 14 for girls and 16 for guys LOL -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179
Could you Would you with a goat? - Dr Suess -
shooting Luttig -- whose son is now a federal judge For starters I wonder how much influence is involved there. I agree that it is sad that you are treated like an adult but not given the rights of an adult, however, he did commit murder and it doesn't matter what age you are it is still wrong. Just my 2 cents. -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179
Could you Would you with a goat? - Dr Suess****Matt Newman wrote: he did commit murder and it doesn't matter what age you are it is still wrong. So if a ten year old boy commits murder should he be executed when he turns eighteen? After a poor performance in London in 1899, Steinitz went insane and died a year later on August 12, 1900 at Wards Island, N.Y.
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So you wouldn't oppose it if he was just one year older ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
More about me :-)
Colin Davies wrote: So you wouldn't oppose it if he was just one year older ? I would say good ridance! The legal system can't have it both ways, saying on the one hand you aren't smart and mature enough to know what you are doing when you are a minor and not allow you to vote, and then say if you commit a crime you are capable and you are an adult. Equal protection is what the founding fathers intended. Remember the US allowed slavery, and segregation, and that was wrong under the consitution all that time. The problem is that people are stupid and ignorant. After a poor performance in London in 1899, Steinitz went insane and died a year later on August 12, 1900 at Wards Island, N.Y.
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I'd rather this guy wasn't let back into society. 17 is plenty old enough to know better. Like it or not, I'm right.
Jason Henderson wrote: I'd rather this guy wasn't let back into society. I agree with you that he shouldn't be allowed back into society, but he is dead now so it doesn't matter. Jason Henderson wrote: 17 is plenty old enough to know better Then 17 year olds should be able to vote, sign contracts, join the military, drink alchol, run for political office, and ect. Until they let 17 year olds do those things, then I will disagree with the idea that they can be tried as adults. After a poor performance in London in 1899, Steinitz went insane and died a year later on August 12, 1900 at Wards Island, N.Y.
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Jason Henderson wrote: I'd rather this guy wasn't let back into society. I agree with you that he shouldn't be allowed back into society, but he is dead now so it doesn't matter. Jason Henderson wrote: 17 is plenty old enough to know better Then 17 year olds should be able to vote, sign contracts, join the military, drink alchol, run for political office, and ect. Until they let 17 year olds do those things, then I will disagree with the idea that they can be tried as adults. After a poor performance in London in 1899, Steinitz went insane and died a year later on August 12, 1900 at Wards Island, N.Y.
You are comparing apples to oranges. Being able to vote and being able to know that murder is wrong are two totally different things. Like it or not, I'm right.
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You are comparing apples to oranges. Being able to vote and being able to know that murder is wrong are two totally different things. Like it or not, I'm right.
What I think he was getting at was that a minor is legally unable to be held responsible for thier actions. You can't have it both ways - that is comparing apples and oranges. ____________________ David Wulff hu·mour Pronunciation Key (hymr) n. & v. Chiefly British Dave's Code Project Screensaver and Wallpaper page.
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What I think he was getting at was that a minor is legally unable to be held responsible for thier actions. You can't have it both ways - that is comparing apples and oranges. ____________________ David Wulff hu·mour Pronunciation Key (hymr) n. & v. Chiefly British Dave's Code Project Screensaver and Wallpaper page.
Are you agreeing with me again? :-D After a poor performance in London in 1899, Steinitz went insane and died a year later on August 12, 1900 at Wards Island, N.Y.
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Are you agreeing with me again? :-D After a poor performance in London in 1899, Steinitz went insane and died a year later on August 12, 1900 at Wards Island, N.Y.
I am agreeing that the system is seriously flawed if it says one thing and then does another, but I am not saying anything as to whether this individual should or should not have been held responsible for the crime he commited because I do not know what only he knows. If anything, the child should be the one to determine thier responsibility on a per-case basis, and if they decide they are responsible, they should be treated as an adult in every respect. I, personally, am against the death penalty because there are too many variables involved to be able to lump a totally definative sentance on someone. There are three primary reasons why I oppose all forms of capital punishment: 1. *I* could murder someone in my lifetime for reasons that would be wholey justified to myself, though I can't see it happening, and could be executed for this. *That* is about 1% of the reason I oppose the death penalty - no-one else can ever truely understand the real motive, and more often than not entire legal systems are constructed in such a way as to prevent them from even being portrayed. 2. Man, in some cases, may belive that the laws that are dictated to the majority of mankind where spoken by a divine all-powerful being, but I do not. Laws where written by men, and with anything written by man they were written to offer something physically, socially or mentally to thier authors and not for the good of our species, or any other alterior motive they may be translated into meaning. Although many people both present and past have had truely beautiful meanings, they are only truely beautiful in meaning to the mind that concocted them, and those that agree. "I may agree with some things, but others will disagree with me." I simply cannot subject something as sacred as life itself through a process defined by a man. That is another 1%. 3. The other 98% is based on the fact that an innocent person can in turn can be murdered by the system. I cannot justify to myself the state sponsored murder of an innocent human being, even if it means that the act of doing so may indirectly protect and save the lives of hundreds upon thousands of people. I am not God, and the fact that a man who believes in one can make a descion to that affect makes me cringe. To be perfectly honest with you, if faced with the choice of an executioner I would rather put a bullet through my own brain than chance my oppositions. I will leave these descions to those of us that are able to justify anythink to them
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A man was just executed for a crime he commited when he was 17 years old. If you are considered incapable of making rational choises and are unable legally to sign contracts, vote or drink alchol, then why should you be punished the same way an adult is? This is common sense and follows simple geometric logic. I am embarrased that we are still such barbarians, and we will look back on this time and realize we are no better than the evil slave traders and Native American killers of our past with such aburdity such as circumcision, and executing crimminals for crimes they committed as minors. Here's the CNN link: CNN After a poor performance in London in 1899, Steinitz went insane and died a year later on August 12, 1900 at Wards Island, N.Y.
Let's look at the "real" victim here - John Luttig. Is he any "less dead" because the person that purposefully shot him twice in the head was 17 and not 21? Did he suffer any less? Did his family and friends grieve any less? Also, is Napoleon Beazley any less likely to commit the crime again if released because he was 17 and not 21? Is he any less responsible for his actions? At the end of the day, there is one less cold-blooded murderer using up the earth's resources. Move on. Mike Mullikin "Thank you America, every night I see increasingly stupid things happening here in Australia. Then you come along and top it." - Michael Martin - The Lounge :bob:
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****Matt Newman wrote: he did commit murder and it doesn't matter what age you are it is still wrong. So if a ten year old boy commits murder should he be executed when he turns eighteen? After a poor performance in London in 1899, Steinitz went insane and died a year later on August 12, 1900 at Wards Island, N.Y.
Martin Marvinski wrote: So if a ten year old boy commits murder should he be executed when he turns eighteen? It depends on the circumstances. Killing the someone just to steal a car definitely, if it is something more like self defense definitely not. -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179
Could you Would you with a goat? - Dr Suess -
I am agreeing that the system is seriously flawed if it says one thing and then does another, but I am not saying anything as to whether this individual should or should not have been held responsible for the crime he commited because I do not know what only he knows. If anything, the child should be the one to determine thier responsibility on a per-case basis, and if they decide they are responsible, they should be treated as an adult in every respect. I, personally, am against the death penalty because there are too many variables involved to be able to lump a totally definative sentance on someone. There are three primary reasons why I oppose all forms of capital punishment: 1. *I* could murder someone in my lifetime for reasons that would be wholey justified to myself, though I can't see it happening, and could be executed for this. *That* is about 1% of the reason I oppose the death penalty - no-one else can ever truely understand the real motive, and more often than not entire legal systems are constructed in such a way as to prevent them from even being portrayed. 2. Man, in some cases, may belive that the laws that are dictated to the majority of mankind where spoken by a divine all-powerful being, but I do not. Laws where written by men, and with anything written by man they were written to offer something physically, socially or mentally to thier authors and not for the good of our species, or any other alterior motive they may be translated into meaning. Although many people both present and past have had truely beautiful meanings, they are only truely beautiful in meaning to the mind that concocted them, and those that agree. "I may agree with some things, but others will disagree with me." I simply cannot subject something as sacred as life itself through a process defined by a man. That is another 1%. 3. The other 98% is based on the fact that an innocent person can in turn can be murdered by the system. I cannot justify to myself the state sponsored murder of an innocent human being, even if it means that the act of doing so may indirectly protect and save the lives of hundreds upon thousands of people. I am not God, and the fact that a man who believes in one can make a descion to that affect makes me cringe. To be perfectly honest with you, if faced with the choice of an executioner I would rather put a bullet through my own brain than chance my oppositions. I will leave these descions to those of us that are able to justify anythink to them
You feel exactly the same way I do. This is very strange. I would have written the same thing you did. After a poor performance in London in 1899, Steinitz went insane and died a year later on August 12, 1900 at Wards Island, N.Y.
