Hunger strike for impeachment!!
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If they did, what would represent a greater violation of the constitution - my death or an 'illegal' wire tap that might have prevented it?
Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hyprocrisy is no morality at all.
Stan Shannon wrote:
If they did
But they won't. They'll never attack your hometown, probably never your whole state. You have a greater chance of being accidentally killed by a police officer or being struck by lightning than you do being killed by a terrorist. If I told you I needed to tap your phone to make sure you weren't doing anything to increase the likelihood of you being struck by lightning, would you consent to that, too? Besides, murder by a private party is not unconstitutional, while illegal wiretapping is, even if it was legalized.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
If they did
But they won't. They'll never attack your hometown, probably never your whole state. You have a greater chance of being accidentally killed by a police officer or being struck by lightning than you do being killed by a terrorist. If I told you I needed to tap your phone to make sure you weren't doing anything to increase the likelihood of you being struck by lightning, would you consent to that, too? Besides, murder by a private party is not unconstitutional, while illegal wiretapping is, even if it was legalized.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
But they won't.
Tell that to the 3000 people who died on 9/11. But, hey, thank god we protected the constitutional rights of the terrorists, eh?
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
If I told you I needed to tap your phone to make sure you weren't doing anything to increase the likelihood of you being struck by lightning, would you consent to that, too?
Sure. I do not acknowledge that I have any constitutional right to expect my phone calls to be private. Do you have any ideal how many people are able to listen to your phone calls perfectly legally? The phone company taps into lines all the time just for maintenance purposes. I know, I've done it. The entire concept is silly. If it could help save someone's life, wire tap away.
Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hyprocrisy is no morality at all.
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IamChrisMcCall wrote:
But they won't.
Tell that to the 3000 people who died on 9/11. But, hey, thank god we protected the constitutional rights of the terrorists, eh?
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
If I told you I needed to tap your phone to make sure you weren't doing anything to increase the likelihood of you being struck by lightning, would you consent to that, too?
Sure. I do not acknowledge that I have any constitutional right to expect my phone calls to be private. Do you have any ideal how many people are able to listen to your phone calls perfectly legally? The phone company taps into lines all the time just for maintenance purposes. I know, I've done it. The entire concept is silly. If it could help save someone's life, wire tap away.
Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hyprocrisy is no morality at all.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Tell that to the 3000 people who died on 9/11.
OK I will, my friend was in Tower 1. His family does not support illegal wiretaps.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Sure. I do not acknowledge that I have any constitutional right to expect my phone calls to be private.
Sounds great! Please send me an email to chris.mccall@gmail.com, with your phone number. Put your money where your mouth is, Stan. I will have your phone tapped and occasionally post the more amusing conversations here to the soapbox. You have no expectation of privacy, right? I will also expect a weekly dump of your browser history and that of your entire family. I will be posting whatever I feel like posting to the soapbox. Oh, and also, I do not give consent to a search, so your phone and internet history will be on display here, never mine.
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Chris-Kaiser wrote:
Those who would sacrafice freedom for security don't deserve either.
And those who sacrifice security for freedom will get neither - as Americans have always understood.
Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hyprocrisy is no morality at all.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Those who would sacrafice freedom for security don't deserve either.
Just quoting Ben Franklin. I think that your position here flies in the face of Jefferson.
This statement was never false.
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Chris-Kaiser wrote:
Those who would sacrafice freedom for security don't deserve either.
And those who sacrifice security for freedom will get neither - as Americans have always understood.
Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hyprocrisy is no morality at all.
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
Just quoting Ben Franklin.
I don't believe that is a Franklin quote. I think its a quote from someone else that was published in Poor Richards Almanac but my understanding is that it was not origional to Franklin.
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
I think that your position here flies in the face of Jefferson.
Well, it certainly flies in the face of the more common modern Marxist revision of Jefferson. But it agrees completely with the interpretations of Jefferson that existed before the last couple of generations. I mean, how is my attitude any different than that of the 'greatest generation' who fought and died in WWII? They certainly put security before freedom. Every generation of AMerican always has when an enemy had to be defeated to ensure the nation was protected. Modern generations of Americans are clearly the victims of decades of leftist brain washing.
Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hyprocrisy is no morality at all.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Tell that to the 3000 people who died on 9/11.
OK I will, my friend was in Tower 1. His family does not support illegal wiretaps.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Sure. I do not acknowledge that I have any constitutional right to expect my phone calls to be private.
Sounds great! Please send me an email to chris.mccall@gmail.com, with your phone number. Put your money where your mouth is, Stan. I will have your phone tapped and occasionally post the more amusing conversations here to the soapbox. You have no expectation of privacy, right? I will also expect a weekly dump of your browser history and that of your entire family. I will be posting whatever I feel like posting to the soapbox. Oh, and also, I do not give consent to a search, so your phone and internet history will be on display here, never mine.
Stan? Hello? Still waiting on that email and a copy of your internet history! Put up or shut up, Stanny Boy!