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North England temperature data disproves global warming [modified]

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    Year and month when the temperature exceeded 21 degrees Celcius: 1899 7 21.2 1900 7 22.5 1901 7 22.6 1904 7 21.3 1905 7 21.8 1906 8 21.3 1911 7 23.4 1911 8 23.0 1921 7 23.8 1925 7 21.8 1933 7 23.0 1933 8 22.7 1934 7 23.8 1935 7 22.2 1935 8 22.4 1937 8 21.3 1940 6 22.4 1941 7 22.4 1943 7 21.0 1947 8 23.9 1949 7 21.6 1949 8 21.1 1950 6 21.1 1955 7 22.9 1955 8 22.0 1959 7 22.2 1959 8 22.4 1960 6 21.7 1967 7 21.5 1969 7 21.5 1971 7 22.1 1975 7 21.7 1975 8 24.6 1976 6 22.3 1976 7 24.0 1976 8 23.0 1983 7 24.5 1983 8 22.1 1984 7 22.4 1984 8 22.5 1989 7 22.9 1989 8 21.1 1990 7 22.1 1990 8 23.1 1991 7 22.2 1991 8 21.9 1994 7 23.3 1995 7 23.8 1995 8 24.4 1996 7 21.5 1996 8 21.5 1997 7 21.7 1997 8 23.3 1999 7 22.5 2000 8 21.2 2001 7 21.4 2002 8 21.2 2003 6 21.0 2003 7 21.9 2003 8 22.4 2004 8 21.3 2006 6 21.6 2006 7 25.6 [^] Anyone spot a trend? I sure as fuck cant; it looks flat for the whole century to me. And remember AGW freaks, this is real, no bullshit data for the UK Met Office for a weather station in Sheffield. One of the only ones in thecountry with sdata for the whole century. This is FACT, REAL DATA, ,not hyperbole, not computer models, not spin. -- modified at 11:07 Thursday 23rd August, 2007 And thanks to Karl, we have a graph form: http://diderot.free.fr/images/temp.gif[^] Karl hasnt turned from the dark side though, he is just sure he can see a trend.

    Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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    Yeah, but that's the north of England it's been permanently shit there since the dawn of time. :-D

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      Year and month when the temperature exceeded 21 degrees Celcius: 1899 7 21.2 1900 7 22.5 1901 7 22.6 1904 7 21.3 1905 7 21.8 1906 8 21.3 1911 7 23.4 1911 8 23.0 1921 7 23.8 1925 7 21.8 1933 7 23.0 1933 8 22.7 1934 7 23.8 1935 7 22.2 1935 8 22.4 1937 8 21.3 1940 6 22.4 1941 7 22.4 1943 7 21.0 1947 8 23.9 1949 7 21.6 1949 8 21.1 1950 6 21.1 1955 7 22.9 1955 8 22.0 1959 7 22.2 1959 8 22.4 1960 6 21.7 1967 7 21.5 1969 7 21.5 1971 7 22.1 1975 7 21.7 1975 8 24.6 1976 6 22.3 1976 7 24.0 1976 8 23.0 1983 7 24.5 1983 8 22.1 1984 7 22.4 1984 8 22.5 1989 7 22.9 1989 8 21.1 1990 7 22.1 1990 8 23.1 1991 7 22.2 1991 8 21.9 1994 7 23.3 1995 7 23.8 1995 8 24.4 1996 7 21.5 1996 8 21.5 1997 7 21.7 1997 8 23.3 1999 7 22.5 2000 8 21.2 2001 7 21.4 2002 8 21.2 2003 6 21.0 2003 7 21.9 2003 8 22.4 2004 8 21.3 2006 6 21.6 2006 7 25.6 [^] Anyone spot a trend? I sure as fuck cant; it looks flat for the whole century to me. And remember AGW freaks, this is real, no bullshit data for the UK Met Office for a weather station in Sheffield. One of the only ones in thecountry with sdata for the whole century. This is FACT, REAL DATA, ,not hyperbole, not computer models, not spin. -- modified at 11:07 Thursday 23rd August, 2007 And thanks to Karl, we have a graph form: http://diderot.free.fr/images/temp.gif[^] Karl hasnt turned from the dark side though, he is just sure he can see a trend.

      Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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      Maybe these sites aren't next to some sort of heat generating device? :->

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        Year and month when the temperature exceeded 21 degrees Celcius: 1899 7 21.2 1900 7 22.5 1901 7 22.6 1904 7 21.3 1905 7 21.8 1906 8 21.3 1911 7 23.4 1911 8 23.0 1921 7 23.8 1925 7 21.8 1933 7 23.0 1933 8 22.7 1934 7 23.8 1935 7 22.2 1935 8 22.4 1937 8 21.3 1940 6 22.4 1941 7 22.4 1943 7 21.0 1947 8 23.9 1949 7 21.6 1949 8 21.1 1950 6 21.1 1955 7 22.9 1955 8 22.0 1959 7 22.2 1959 8 22.4 1960 6 21.7 1967 7 21.5 1969 7 21.5 1971 7 22.1 1975 7 21.7 1975 8 24.6 1976 6 22.3 1976 7 24.0 1976 8 23.0 1983 7 24.5 1983 8 22.1 1984 7 22.4 1984 8 22.5 1989 7 22.9 1989 8 21.1 1990 7 22.1 1990 8 23.1 1991 7 22.2 1991 8 21.9 1994 7 23.3 1995 7 23.8 1995 8 24.4 1996 7 21.5 1996 8 21.5 1997 7 21.7 1997 8 23.3 1999 7 22.5 2000 8 21.2 2001 7 21.4 2002 8 21.2 2003 6 21.0 2003 7 21.9 2003 8 22.4 2004 8 21.3 2006 6 21.6 2006 7 25.6 [^] Anyone spot a trend? I sure as fuck cant; it looks flat for the whole century to me. And remember AGW freaks, this is real, no bullshit data for the UK Met Office for a weather station in Sheffield. One of the only ones in thecountry with sdata for the whole century. This is FACT, REAL DATA, ,not hyperbole, not computer models, not spin. -- modified at 11:07 Thursday 23rd August, 2007 And thanks to Karl, we have a graph form: http://diderot.free.fr/images/temp.gif[^] Karl hasnt turned from the dark side though, he is just sure he can see a trend.

        Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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        fat_boy wrote:

        it looks flat for the whole century to me.

        It seems to me it is getting hotter since the 70s [^]

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          Year and month when the temperature exceeded 21 degrees Celcius: 1899 7 21.2 1900 7 22.5 1901 7 22.6 1904 7 21.3 1905 7 21.8 1906 8 21.3 1911 7 23.4 1911 8 23.0 1921 7 23.8 1925 7 21.8 1933 7 23.0 1933 8 22.7 1934 7 23.8 1935 7 22.2 1935 8 22.4 1937 8 21.3 1940 6 22.4 1941 7 22.4 1943 7 21.0 1947 8 23.9 1949 7 21.6 1949 8 21.1 1950 6 21.1 1955 7 22.9 1955 8 22.0 1959 7 22.2 1959 8 22.4 1960 6 21.7 1967 7 21.5 1969 7 21.5 1971 7 22.1 1975 7 21.7 1975 8 24.6 1976 6 22.3 1976 7 24.0 1976 8 23.0 1983 7 24.5 1983 8 22.1 1984 7 22.4 1984 8 22.5 1989 7 22.9 1989 8 21.1 1990 7 22.1 1990 8 23.1 1991 7 22.2 1991 8 21.9 1994 7 23.3 1995 7 23.8 1995 8 24.4 1996 7 21.5 1996 8 21.5 1997 7 21.7 1997 8 23.3 1999 7 22.5 2000 8 21.2 2001 7 21.4 2002 8 21.2 2003 6 21.0 2003 7 21.9 2003 8 22.4 2004 8 21.3 2006 6 21.6 2006 7 25.6 [^] Anyone spot a trend? I sure as fuck cant; it looks flat for the whole century to me. And remember AGW freaks, this is real, no bullshit data for the UK Met Office for a weather station in Sheffield. One of the only ones in thecountry with sdata for the whole century. This is FACT, REAL DATA, ,not hyperbole, not computer models, not spin. -- modified at 11:07 Thursday 23rd August, 2007 And thanks to Karl, we have a graph form: http://diderot.free.fr/images/temp.gif[^] Karl hasnt turned from the dark side though, he is just sure he can see a trend.

          Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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          I'm sure there's a hockey stick in there somewhere...:rolleyes:

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            fat_boy wrote:

            it looks flat for the whole century to me.

            It seems to me it is getting hotter since the 70s [^]

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            A graph with no scale or key, isn't.

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            • G GrinderDev

              Maybe these sites aren't next to some sort of heat generating device? :->

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              Yeah, in fact, Sheffield HASNT expanded since the 19th century by much. It had its industroal hey day way back.

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              • K KaRl

                fat_boy wrote:

                it looks flat for the whole century to me.

                It seems to me it is getting hotter since the 70s [^]

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                You have a great imagination. Four points do not make a trend in a graph with that much noise...

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                • K KaRl

                  fat_boy wrote:

                  it looks flat for the whole century to me.

                  It seems to me it is getting hotter since the 70s [^]

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                  Did you run the data through a graph generator? If so, as you can see there isnt any appreciable change at all foor the whole century. And dont forget, CO2 has gone through the roof since then. Are you finally convibnced Karl that rising CO2 doe not caus rising temperature? And that in fact, we might not actually have much of a rising temoperature anyway? Given the UHI effect, and the recent NASA adjusted data, we cant even be sure there IS global warming.

                  Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                    I'm sure there's a hockey stick in there somewhere...:rolleyes:

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                    I thought Sheffield made knives?

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                    • L Lost User

                      Did you run the data through a graph generator? If so, as you can see there isnt any appreciable change at all foor the whole century. And dont forget, CO2 has gone through the roof since then. Are you finally convibnced Karl that rising CO2 doe not caus rising temperature? And that in fact, we might not actually have much of a rising temoperature anyway? Given the UHI effect, and the recent NASA adjusted data, we cant even be sure there IS global warming.

                      Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                      fat_boy wrote:

                      Did you run the data through a graph generator?

                      Excel.

                      fat_boy wrote:

                      as you can see there isnt any appreciable change at all foor the whole century.

                      I disagree.

                      fat_boy wrote:

                      Are you finally convibnced Karl that rising CO2 doe not caus rising temperature?

                      No.

                      fat_boy wrote:

                      And that in fact, we might not actually have much of a rising temoperature anyway?

                      No.

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                      • K KaRl

                        fat_boy wrote:

                        it looks flat for the whole century to me.

                        It seems to me it is getting hotter since the 70s [^]

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                        It does rather.

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                        • K KaRl

                          fat_boy wrote:

                          Did you run the data through a graph generator?

                          Excel.

                          fat_boy wrote:

                          as you can see there isnt any appreciable change at all foor the whole century.

                          I disagree.

                          fat_boy wrote:

                          Are you finally convibnced Karl that rising CO2 doe not caus rising temperature?

                          No.

                          fat_boy wrote:

                          And that in fact, we might not actually have much of a rising temoperature anyway?

                          No.

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                          Karl, its flat from 1900 to 1006! There are some spikes since the 70s, but the 30's to 40's look consistently warmer on average. But, if there is a trend, it is so slight, and NO WAY near the 0.6 degree C increase supposed by the most moderat of AGWers. You know, if you cant accept this, and the US data (and tell me, just how much reliable data IS there for the whole century) then you really are just being intentionally blind. Thats very unscientific of you.

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                            A graph with no scale or key, isn't.

                            --- How to get answers to your questions[^]

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                            KaRl
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                            I've updated the graph. Happy now?

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                              Karl, its flat from 1900 to 1006! There are some spikes since the 70s, but the 30's to 40's look consistently warmer on average. But, if there is a trend, it is so slight, and NO WAY near the 0.6 degree C increase supposed by the most moderat of AGWers. You know, if you cant accept this, and the US data (and tell me, just how much reliable data IS there for the whole century) then you really are just being intentionally blind. Thats very unscientific of you.

                              Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                              KaRl
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                              fat_boy wrote:

                              he 0.6 degree C increase

                              Do you believe this increase would be uniform through the whole planet?

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                              • K KaRl

                                fat_boy wrote:

                                he 0.6 degree C increase

                                Do you believe this increase would be uniform through the whole planet?

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                                K(arl) wrote:

                                Do you believe this increase would be uniform through the whole planet?

                                Yes. Thats why its called Global Warming! ;)

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                                  Karl, its flat from 1900 to 1006! There are some spikes since the 70s, but the 30's to 40's look consistently warmer on average. But, if there is a trend, it is so slight, and NO WAY near the 0.6 degree C increase supposed by the most moderat of AGWers. You know, if you cant accept this, and the US data (and tell me, just how much reliable data IS there for the whole century) then you really are just being intentionally blind. Thats very unscientific of you.

                                  Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                                  You should know better than to get into a religious argument.

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                                    You have a great imagination. Four points do not make a trend in a graph with that much noise...

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                                    KaRl
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                                    Rob Graham wrote:

                                    You have a great imagination

                                    Yeah, that's one of my numerous strengths :-D


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                                    • K KaRl

                                      fat_boy wrote:

                                      it looks flat for the whole century to me.

                                      It seems to me it is getting hotter since the 70s [^]

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                                      Tell you what Karl, plot the rainfall and sunshine figures too. Lets see if the weather is worse, or better and whether there is less cloud cover.

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                                        Tell you what Karl, plot the rainfall and sunshine figures too. Lets see if the weather is worse, or better and whether there is less cloud cover.

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                                        KaRl
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                                        Don't you know how to use excel? ;-P

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                                          Don't you know how to use excel? ;-P

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                                          Not as well as you do...

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