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Red Stateler wrote:
He isn't just a Democrat...He holds very clear and biased political positions against an administration that he is making claims against. I can't speak to his quality of his science, but the fact that he has ulterior motivations is clear.
If Mrs Clinton were in the White House (God preserve us) I would be able, no doubt, to say the same thing about you. What effect would that have on your metalurgy results? David Ray Griffin is neither a scientist nor an engineer and I never claimed otherwise. You attacked Dr Jones for his politics and ignored his scientific credentials. If you want someone with political/analytical and philosophical credentials the read what Proffessor Griffin has to say. I have put up.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
If Mrs Clinton were in the White House (God preserve us) I would be able, no doubt, to say the same thing about you. What effect would that have on your metalurgy results?
Yes, if the Clintons were in the White House and I publicly accused them personally of causing 9/11 despite a lack of evidence and then went on to say that science supports a demolition (contradicting every other scientist and engineer), then my scientific opinion should certainly be called into question.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
David Ray Griffin is neither a scientist nor an engineer and I never claimed otherwise. You attacked Dr Jones for his politics and ignored his scientific credentials. If you want someone with political/analytical and philosophical credentials the read what Proffessor Griffin has to say. I have put up.
I specifically told you that I respect the opinions of those "earned their doctorates in various engineering disciplines" over that of a 20-something graphic designer and asked for tangible evidence and you have provided none. Why on earth would I care what some philosophy professor thinks about this? You have yet to put up, so I'm close to asking you to simply shut up.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
notion that there is some kind of political agenda among the rank and file church goers in the US is just rediculous.
Dammit Stan, when WILL you learn to spell ridiculous ? :P Yeah, I agree, I never meant to imply a broad agenda between all church goers, quite the opposite. My implication was that some churches probably are, and some are not.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Dammit Stan, when WILL you learn to spell ridiculous ?
I refuse to acknowledge that my spelling is incorrect. :~
Christian Graus wrote:
Yeah, I agree, I never meant to imply a broad agenda between all church goers, quite the opposite. My implication was that some churches probably are, and some are not.
But I think the world wide impression that American politics is somehow a reflection of a minority of religious zealots is dangerous and needs to be refuted. The US is, and was intended to be, a religious society, but that religious sentiment is not dedicated to one party vs another. Most of the liberals I know are far more likely to base their political beliefs on their religion than are most conservatives, who, ironically, largely appeal to the secular documents our government was founded upon.
Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hyprocrisy is no morality at all.
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
If Mrs Clinton were in the White House (God preserve us) I would be able, no doubt, to say the same thing about you. What effect would that have on your metalurgy results?
Yes, if the Clintons were in the White House and I publicly accused them personally of causing 9/11 despite a lack of evidence and then went on to say that science supports a demolition (contradicting every other scientist and engineer), then my scientific opinion should certainly be called into question.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
David Ray Griffin is neither a scientist nor an engineer and I never claimed otherwise. You attacked Dr Jones for his politics and ignored his scientific credentials. If you want someone with political/analytical and philosophical credentials the read what Proffessor Griffin has to say. I have put up.
I specifically told you that I respect the opinions of those "earned their doctorates in various engineering disciplines" over that of a 20-something graphic designer and asked for tangible evidence and you have provided none. Why on earth would I care what some philosophy professor thinks about this? You have yet to put up, so I'm close to asking you to simply shut up.
Red Stateler wrote:
I specifically told you that I respect the opinions of those "earned their doctorates in various engineering disciplines"
I never said you were consistent.
Red Stateler wrote:
Why on earth would I care what some philosophy professor thinks about this?
You might if you knew what he said. When you have something to disagree with him on or counter evidence on the metalugy then by all means tell me to shut up. On the other hand if you accept the metalurgy then you accept controlled demolition, which requires a different conspiracy from the one you believe in.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Red Stateler wrote:
I specifically told you that I respect the opinions of those "earned their doctorates in various engineering disciplines"
I never said you were consistent.
Red Stateler wrote:
Why on earth would I care what some philosophy professor thinks about this?
You might if you knew what he said. When you have something to disagree with him on or counter evidence on the metalugy then by all means tell me to shut up. On the other hand if you accept the metalurgy then you accept controlled demolition, which requires a different conspiracy from the one you believe in.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
You might if you knew what he said. When you have something to disagree with him on or counter evidence on the metalugy then by all means tell me to shut up. On the other hand if you accept the metalurgy then you accept controlled demolition, which requires a different conspiracy from the one you believe in.
Because I'm specifically asking for evidence...Not opinions. You have provided nothing that has not already been amply discredited by qualified individuals. Philosophy professors are not qualified in structural engineering.
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Its the 11th of Sept here at the moment and I thought it would be interesting to see where everyone was on this day 6 years ago when you heard about the attacks in the US I was here[^] on a surfing trip with a mate, its was late at night and we we're sitting up waiting for some other friends to drive up from Sydney. We'd both fallen asleap while watching the telly when someone called to tell us what was happening. We saw the second aircraft crash into the building and stayed up most of the night watching the reports. It was very sureal to wake up too especially considering we were very very stoned and worn out from a long day of driving / surfing -- modified at 3:20 Tuesday 11th September, 2007 I really cant spell to save my life
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Its the 11th of Sept here at the moment and I thought it would be interesting to see where everyone was on this day 6 years ago when you heard about the attacks in the US I was here[^] on a surfing trip with a mate, its was late at night and we we're sitting up waiting for some other friends to drive up from Sydney. We'd both fallen asleap while watching the telly when someone called to tell us what was happening. We saw the second aircraft crash into the building and stayed up most of the night watching the reports. It was very sureal to wake up too especially considering we were very very stoned and worn out from a long day of driving / surfing -- modified at 3:20 Tuesday 11th September, 2007 I really cant spell to save my life
At work. With a "how do I tell them to get back to work?" boss in our neck.
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I was at home, working on some code. I checked CP one last time before going to bed, and someone posted on the lounge that someone had just flown a plane into the world trade centre. At that point, people were assuming it was an accident. Obviously, when the second plane hit, that was no longer the case, I went and turned on the TV and sat there for several hours, alternating with the lounge ( the computer was in the bedroom at that point, to the disgust of my wife ) Nish was telling me that his mother in law is flying back to India and they moved the flight forward, the only day they could get flights was today ( it's 11/9 here now ), so 6 years on, people still avoid flying on this day.
Josh Gray wrote:
we were very very stoned
Did you mean from staying up, or..... ???
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Its the 11th of Sept here at the moment and I thought it would be interesting to see where everyone was on this day 6 years ago when you heard about the attacks in the US I was here[^] on a surfing trip with a mate, its was late at night and we we're sitting up waiting for some other friends to drive up from Sydney. We'd both fallen asleap while watching the telly when someone called to tell us what was happening. We saw the second aircraft crash into the building and stayed up most of the night watching the reports. It was very sureal to wake up too especially considering we were very very stoned and worn out from a long day of driving / surfing -- modified at 3:20 Tuesday 11th September, 2007 I really cant spell to save my life
In Caracas, Venezuela. I had just returned from a meeting and saw the first tower burning on the TV in the lobby of the hotel I was staying in. Coincidentally, I had flown to Caracas from NYC and had seen the WTC from the window of the plane I was traveling in. I was not sure I could get back into the US since the FAA had ordered a stand-down of all flights for an indefinite period.