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From a post further down about zoophilia and dolphins. I had a thought. Bestiality is taught as immoral in the Bible, and illegal generally in most countries, as well as frowned on in most societies. But ! I have seen bulls and stallions milked of there sperm for farmers and investors to use there traits. I'm sure similar work is done on a variety of other animals in zoos and aquariums and research centers etc. Is masturbating another animal, beastiality or zoophilia ? Or is it just science, because human gratification is not involved ? If so then is it ok to masturbate the family dog, just to relieve his tensions ? Regardz Colin J Davies
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Colin Davies wrote: If so then is it ok to masturbate the family dog, just to relieve his tensions ? I suppose it depends on whether or not you got any gratification out of it. And remember Colin, oral sex is still sex. :suss: ____________________ David Wulff Neil says: The following message could not be delivered to all recipients: dave i am a homosexual and i am in love with your father
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From a post further down about zoophilia and dolphins. I had a thought. Bestiality is taught as immoral in the Bible, and illegal generally in most countries, as well as frowned on in most societies. But ! I have seen bulls and stallions milked of there sperm for farmers and investors to use there traits. I'm sure similar work is done on a variety of other animals in zoos and aquariums and research centers etc. Is masturbating another animal, beastiality or zoophilia ? Or is it just science, because human gratification is not involved ? If so then is it ok to masturbate the family dog, just to relieve his tensions ? Regardz Colin J Davies
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Reminds me of a joke about what to do to make a dog stop humping one's leg. But I suspect that one may be too raunchy even for the sandbox.:-D Let's Put The Fun Back In Dysfunctional! - My Darts Team T-shirt
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From a post further down about zoophilia and dolphins. I had a thought. Bestiality is taught as immoral in the Bible, and illegal generally in most countries, as well as frowned on in most societies. But ! I have seen bulls and stallions milked of there sperm for farmers and investors to use there traits. I'm sure similar work is done on a variety of other animals in zoos and aquariums and research centers etc. Is masturbating another animal, beastiality or zoophilia ? Or is it just science, because human gratification is not involved ? If so then is it ok to masturbate the family dog, just to relieve his tensions ? Regardz Colin J Davies
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Colin Davies wrote: Or is it just science, because human gratification is not involved ? It's clearly science. I don't think anyone actually gets a kick out of doing it. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
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Colin Davies wrote: If so then is it ok to masturbate the family dog, just to relieve his tensions ? I suppose it depends on whether or not you got any gratification out of it. And remember Colin, oral sex is still sex. :suss: ____________________ David Wulff Neil says: The following message could not be delivered to all recipients: dave i am a homosexual and i am in love with your father
You missed the intention of my post David. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Colin Davies wrote: Or is it just science, because human gratification is not involved ? It's clearly science. I don't think anyone actually gets a kick out of doing it. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
Christian Graus wrote: It's clearly science. I don't think anyone actually gets a kick out of doing it. OK agreed. Plausably only the animal enjoys it. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Christian Graus wrote: It's clearly science. I don't think anyone actually gets a kick out of doing it. OK agreed. Plausably only the animal enjoys it. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Actually.... Here in The Netherlands there is a company that sells vibrators for pigs (yes *real* pigs not persons behaving like one), because it helps during the artificial insemination. I believe there is also some kind of place to store the sperm so that it gets 'delivered' during the act. On a comment the manufacturers said. "It improves the successrate and it helps the pigs to like the insemination ( :) ) so it's a good thing" Regards. Rutger
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You missed the intention of my post David. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Colin Davies wrote: You missed the intention of my post David. No I didn't Colin, but I was too rat arsed last night to post anything else (my revision technique). I mean come on, what do you expect from me? Intellect? :rolleyes: ____________________ David Wulff Neil says: The following message could not be delivered to all recipients: dave i am a homosexual and i am in love with your father
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From a post further down about zoophilia and dolphins. I had a thought. Bestiality is taught as immoral in the Bible, and illegal generally in most countries, as well as frowned on in most societies. But ! I have seen bulls and stallions milked of there sperm for farmers and investors to use there traits. I'm sure similar work is done on a variety of other animals in zoos and aquariums and research centers etc. Is masturbating another animal, beastiality or zoophilia ? Or is it just science, because human gratification is not involved ? If so then is it ok to masturbate the family dog, just to relieve his tensions ? Regardz Colin J Davies
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This is kinda like a painting of a naked woman is art and a photo in a nudy mag is pr0n. Would the nudy mag be art if the human body was appreciated in it and the painting be pr0n if some joker wanked off to it? Remember a basic human trait is social acceptance. It's not so much the act as it is someone justifying what they are doing so it is accepted in whole, or at least in part by some select group of individuals. You can't tell me a sexually active, male gynecologist doesn't get some thrill out of seeing the crotch of some guy's wife. And, that has to be at least part of the reason he chose that profession. It’s the same principle. I would not take it up the ass in the name of science. If someone does, then they already had a slight tendency to take it up the ass already. Same thing with beating off a bull. Sure, someone's gotta do it, but it's the ones that don't "mind" as much that are willing. If there wasn't something to justify it with (i.e.; science) then they may not normally do it because of the social pressure. Gratification is received and according to Freud it could learn towards that of a sexual nature, but as I see it, it is not directly on the same proverbial sexual plane that is commonplace in society. Nevertheless, the differences are few. If he's willing to do it, he doesn't hate it. Are you willing to cut your arm off in the name of science? Of course not (unless part of you is a masochist), because I'm sure you hate the idea of not having an arm. I just dread the day I enter a nightclub and only find animals to mack on. ;) Jeremy L. Falcon Homepage : Sonork = 100.16311
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This is kinda like a painting of a naked woman is art and a photo in a nudy mag is pr0n. Would the nudy mag be art if the human body was appreciated in it and the painting be pr0n if some joker wanked off to it? Remember a basic human trait is social acceptance. It's not so much the act as it is someone justifying what they are doing so it is accepted in whole, or at least in part by some select group of individuals. You can't tell me a sexually active, male gynecologist doesn't get some thrill out of seeing the crotch of some guy's wife. And, that has to be at least part of the reason he chose that profession. It’s the same principle. I would not take it up the ass in the name of science. If someone does, then they already had a slight tendency to take it up the ass already. Same thing with beating off a bull. Sure, someone's gotta do it, but it's the ones that don't "mind" as much that are willing. If there wasn't something to justify it with (i.e.; science) then they may not normally do it because of the social pressure. Gratification is received and according to Freud it could learn towards that of a sexual nature, but as I see it, it is not directly on the same proverbial sexual plane that is commonplace in society. Nevertheless, the differences are few. If he's willing to do it, he doesn't hate it. Are you willing to cut your arm off in the name of science? Of course not (unless part of you is a masochist), because I'm sure you hate the idea of not having an arm. I just dread the day I enter a nightclub and only find animals to mack on. ;) Jeremy L. Falcon Homepage : Sonork = 100.16311
"It was a blind man who taught me how to see." - AerosmithJeremy Falcon wrote: You can't tell me a sexually active, male gynecologist doesn't get some thrill out of seeing the crotch of some guy's wife. And, that has to be at least part of the reason he chose that profession. It’s the same principle. Hmmmm. What about Proctologists ? Do you think they are really quite anal people ? Regardz Colin J Davies
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This is kinda like a painting of a naked woman is art and a photo in a nudy mag is pr0n. Would the nudy mag be art if the human body was appreciated in it and the painting be pr0n if some joker wanked off to it? Remember a basic human trait is social acceptance. It's not so much the act as it is someone justifying what they are doing so it is accepted in whole, or at least in part by some select group of individuals. You can't tell me a sexually active, male gynecologist doesn't get some thrill out of seeing the crotch of some guy's wife. And, that has to be at least part of the reason he chose that profession. It’s the same principle. I would not take it up the ass in the name of science. If someone does, then they already had a slight tendency to take it up the ass already. Same thing with beating off a bull. Sure, someone's gotta do it, but it's the ones that don't "mind" as much that are willing. If there wasn't something to justify it with (i.e.; science) then they may not normally do it because of the social pressure. Gratification is received and according to Freud it could learn towards that of a sexual nature, but as I see it, it is not directly on the same proverbial sexual plane that is commonplace in society. Nevertheless, the differences are few. If he's willing to do it, he doesn't hate it. Are you willing to cut your arm off in the name of science? Of course not (unless part of you is a masochist), because I'm sure you hate the idea of not having an arm. I just dread the day I enter a nightclub and only find animals to mack on. ;) Jeremy L. Falcon Homepage : Sonork = 100.16311
"It was a blind man who taught me how to see." - AerosmithJeremy Falcon wrote: Sure, someone's gotta do it, but it's the ones that don't "mind" as much that are willing. If there wasn't something to justify it with (i.e.; science) then they may not normally do it because of the social pressure. Wow. Good logic. I mean I'm sure garbage collectors would be rummaging through rubbish if it wasn't their jobs too... Have fun, Paul Westcott.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Sure, someone's gotta do it, but it's the ones that don't "mind" as much that are willing. If there wasn't something to justify it with (i.e.; science) then they may not normally do it because of the social pressure. Wow. Good logic. I mean I'm sure garbage collectors would be rummaging through rubbish if it wasn't their jobs too... Have fun, Paul Westcott.
Stop narrowing your view. People do things they don't want to do in exchange for things they think they need or want. This is the inverse of the punishment system that seems to be the only way (there's more to that statement than meets the eye, but I don’t feel like explaining it to you) people seem to stay in order. In the case of the gynecologist, the man is fully aware of his decisions before ever fingering the first woman "professionally." He doesn't resort; he chooses. You don't just wake up in a hospital one day with someone demanding you go down on a chick. Sure, after enough time and plenty of women have been played with it might get old but that goes into several other human traits. And, I don't want to waste my time explaining my thoughts on the human psyche to you. But, this has nothing to do with why the man chose his profession. In the case of a garbage collector, this decision is primarily based on a settlement for the individual because of choices made in life. He resorts, and that's becomes his tradeoff for his efforts. The garbage collector will still have ways to achieve his gratifications that may not necessarily be through his work. Paul Westcott wrote: Wow. Good logic. Just for the record, my logic is superb. ;P And, should you need to start a charade of badgering to make yourself feel better then be prepared because I can make you feel quite the opposite when it comes to your logical assessments. Jeremy L. Falcon Homepage : Sonork = 100.16311
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Stop narrowing your view. People do things they don't want to do in exchange for things they think they need or want. This is the inverse of the punishment system that seems to be the only way (there's more to that statement than meets the eye, but I don’t feel like explaining it to you) people seem to stay in order. In the case of the gynecologist, the man is fully aware of his decisions before ever fingering the first woman "professionally." He doesn't resort; he chooses. You don't just wake up in a hospital one day with someone demanding you go down on a chick. Sure, after enough time and plenty of women have been played with it might get old but that goes into several other human traits. And, I don't want to waste my time explaining my thoughts on the human psyche to you. But, this has nothing to do with why the man chose his profession. In the case of a garbage collector, this decision is primarily based on a settlement for the individual because of choices made in life. He resorts, and that's becomes his tradeoff for his efforts. The garbage collector will still have ways to achieve his gratifications that may not necessarily be through his work. Paul Westcott wrote: Wow. Good logic. Just for the record, my logic is superb. ;P And, should you need to start a charade of badgering to make yourself feel better then be prepared because I can make you feel quite the opposite when it comes to your logical assessments. Jeremy L. Falcon Homepage : Sonork = 100.16311
"No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness." - AristotleYou seem to have totally changed what you are talking about... Same thing with beating off a bull. Sure, someone's gotta do it, but it's the ones that don't "mind" as much that are willing. If there wasn't something to justify it with (i.e.; science) then they may not normally do it because of the social pressure. You (well to my untrained eye) appear to be saying that the farmer who has to artifically inseminate a bull is not doing it for the purposes of making money, but rather as some fantasy?!?!?! And then you seem to change what you are talking about totally in this article to somewhere between justifying the American version of demoncracy... Just for the record, my logic is superb Glad to hear it - I'm just glad you weren't my lecturer for discrete matematics... Have fun, Paul Westcott.
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You seem to have totally changed what you are talking about... Same thing with beating off a bull. Sure, someone's gotta do it, but it's the ones that don't "mind" as much that are willing. If there wasn't something to justify it with (i.e.; science) then they may not normally do it because of the social pressure. You (well to my untrained eye) appear to be saying that the farmer who has to artifically inseminate a bull is not doing it for the purposes of making money, but rather as some fantasy?!?!?! And then you seem to change what you are talking about totally in this article to somewhere between justifying the American version of demoncracy... Just for the record, my logic is superb Glad to hear it - I'm just glad you weren't my lecturer for discrete matematics... Have fun, Paul Westcott.
Paul Westcott wrote: You seem to have totally changed what you are talking about... Quite the contrary. You seem to not have seen my point and jump the gun at taking a whack at me. I hate having to elaborate all the damn time because there are other things I like to do ya know. And, I didn't change the subject, I gave examples and analogies. I like to think, so I like to let other people think for their own. Paul Westcott wrote: You (well to my untrained eye) appear to be saying that the farmer who has to artifically inseminate a bull is not doing it for the purposes of making money, but rather as some fantasy?!?!?! It figures. To the irrational this could be so, but take note to my comments of gratification and Freud. I must explain this even more I suppose. Not for your sake, but for the sake of another CPian reading this that might allow your allusion to cloud their thoughts on the matter. I never said that a farmer got off by spanking a bull. Read this again… "...but as I see it, it is not directly on the same proverbial sexual plane that is commonplace in society." Why do some people become vets? Gee, maybe because they love animals? There is no one definite answer, but the answers do tend to revolve around conditioning of the person. For instance, why do some people become farmers? Maybe they were brought up that way and that’s all they know. Maybe they were techs and tired of a sitting in an office. Either way, it’s about conditioning because something drove them to that point. Ok, so the scientist, farmer, vet, or whatever doesn’t mind groping animals. Would you beat off a bull for money or science Paul? I wouldn’t, but these people would. They don’t have to directly enjoy (in your sense of the idea) it to receive gratification. Gratification comes in many forms besides sexual. Now, starting thinking on a deeper level… Humans work a positive/negative response system similar to computers if you break it down far enough. Hell, just study the nervous system for confirmation on that. Maybe they receive their positives from money or science, maybe it’s just the fact they can get away with accepted bestiality. The point is, the beating off part isn’t bad for them. There are people that complain about their work, but they are just sour and like to complain (that goes into a slew of other things too) anyway. Maybe they long f
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Paul Westcott wrote: You seem to have totally changed what you are talking about... Quite the contrary. You seem to not have seen my point and jump the gun at taking a whack at me. I hate having to elaborate all the damn time because there are other things I like to do ya know. And, I didn't change the subject, I gave examples and analogies. I like to think, so I like to let other people think for their own. Paul Westcott wrote: You (well to my untrained eye) appear to be saying that the farmer who has to artifically inseminate a bull is not doing it for the purposes of making money, but rather as some fantasy?!?!?! It figures. To the irrational this could be so, but take note to my comments of gratification and Freud. I must explain this even more I suppose. Not for your sake, but for the sake of another CPian reading this that might allow your allusion to cloud their thoughts on the matter. I never said that a farmer got off by spanking a bull. Read this again… "...but as I see it, it is not directly on the same proverbial sexual plane that is commonplace in society." Why do some people become vets? Gee, maybe because they love animals? There is no one definite answer, but the answers do tend to revolve around conditioning of the person. For instance, why do some people become farmers? Maybe they were brought up that way and that’s all they know. Maybe they were techs and tired of a sitting in an office. Either way, it’s about conditioning because something drove them to that point. Ok, so the scientist, farmer, vet, or whatever doesn’t mind groping animals. Would you beat off a bull for money or science Paul? I wouldn’t, but these people would. They don’t have to directly enjoy (in your sense of the idea) it to receive gratification. Gratification comes in many forms besides sexual. Now, starting thinking on a deeper level… Humans work a positive/negative response system similar to computers if you break it down far enough. Hell, just study the nervous system for confirmation on that. Maybe they receive their positives from money or science, maybe it’s just the fact they can get away with accepted bestiality. The point is, the beating off part isn’t bad for them. There are people that complain about their work, but they are just sour and like to complain (that goes into a slew of other things too) anyway. Maybe they long f
Wow. But your agument really amounts to nothing, as (basically) every job equates to money which gives gratification in that it can be exchanged for basically anything else. Jeremy Falcon wrote: BTW, discrete mathematics doesn’t impress me. I didn't think that it would. Have fun, Paul Westcott.
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From a post further down about zoophilia and dolphins. I had a thought. Bestiality is taught as immoral in the Bible, and illegal generally in most countries, as well as frowned on in most societies. But ! I have seen bulls and stallions milked of there sperm for farmers and investors to use there traits. I'm sure similar work is done on a variety of other animals in zoos and aquariums and research centers etc. Is masturbating another animal, beastiality or zoophilia ? Or is it just science, because human gratification is not involved ? If so then is it ok to masturbate the family dog, just to relieve his tensions ? Regardz Colin J Davies
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I seem to remember some OT scriptures specifying that a person is "unclean" if any semen is spilled outside the woman's body during intercourse (or something like that). I'm pretty sure that would include animal semen as well. However, many of these OT rules and regulations no longer apply to NT Christians. All religious regulations asside, I would advise against masturbating the family dog as that would cause him sexual dysfunctions, and it would be pretty embarassing if he came to you for a wank when company was over. :-O Why not throw away a dime? I throw away ten pennies all the time.
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Wow. But your agument really amounts to nothing, as (basically) every job equates to money which gives gratification in that it can be exchanged for basically anything else. Jeremy Falcon wrote: BTW, discrete mathematics doesn’t impress me. I didn't think that it would. Have fun, Paul Westcott.
Paul Westcott wrote: But your agument really amounts to nothing, as (basically) every job equates to money which gives gratification in that it can be exchanged for basically anything else. Ok, you're taking a step in the right direction now. But, for one, remember there is rarely a single answer to things of this nature. And, for two, you’re failing to see my point. For instance, would you suck some guy's dick for money? If you answer "yes", then you obviously have gay tendencies. The thought of sucking some guys dick isn't that bad and you get money for it. If you answer "no", then you either aren't attracted to him, aren't gay, etc. Either way, the money is not that important to you in that you have to do something you despise to get it. Same thing with beating off a bull. The ones that do it don't mind as much. Jeremy L. Falcon Homepage : Sonork = 100.16311
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Paul Westcott wrote: But your agument really amounts to nothing, as (basically) every job equates to money which gives gratification in that it can be exchanged for basically anything else. Ok, you're taking a step in the right direction now. But, for one, remember there is rarely a single answer to things of this nature. And, for two, you’re failing to see my point. For instance, would you suck some guy's dick for money? If you answer "yes", then you obviously have gay tendencies. The thought of sucking some guys dick isn't that bad and you get money for it. If you answer "no", then you either aren't attracted to him, aren't gay, etc. Either way, the money is not that important to you in that you have to do something you despise to get it. Same thing with beating off a bull. The ones that do it don't mind as much. Jeremy L. Falcon Homepage : Sonork = 100.16311
"No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness." - AristotleHmmm. I think circumstance can also lead people to do things that they don't desire. Because despiration for other things can cause people to act in strange ways - whether it been from drugs (to mention a movie (which I know isn't exactly the best source of real information, but it illustrates the point) Requiem for a Dream (which if you haven't seen, you should) one of our main characters ends up performing lesbian sexual acts with an audience. Potentially real or just a fake situation? I think potentially real; I have seen the craving of acquantances who have a heroin habit. So the next question is did she have latent lesbian desires? I don't believe this would have to be the case.) Now, a more sane example, coming back to the original question. A farmer whos family have been on the land for generations. Running short of cash, has to artifically inseminate his pigs because he can't afford to get a stud in (ok, he's not jacking an animal off, but we're still in the bounds of what is potentially bestiality). Did he have to have had a natural tendency towards bestiality? No I don't think so (well he might have of course!), I think other things (such as putting food on the table for his wife and kids) can have an overriding affect on the situation. I think humans are amazingly complex creatures, and I don't think you have to necessarily have an original drive in you to make you do things. I think situations can force people into doing things that they just would never have done - not just because they were ashamed of what society would think. Now maybe in a middle class area, where dealing only with middle class people, with no crime and perfect weather then your argument holds ground. But that just isn't how the world is. Have fun, Paul Westcott.
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Hmmm. I think circumstance can also lead people to do things that they don't desire. Because despiration for other things can cause people to act in strange ways - whether it been from drugs (to mention a movie (which I know isn't exactly the best source of real information, but it illustrates the point) Requiem for a Dream (which if you haven't seen, you should) one of our main characters ends up performing lesbian sexual acts with an audience. Potentially real or just a fake situation? I think potentially real; I have seen the craving of acquantances who have a heroin habit. So the next question is did she have latent lesbian desires? I don't believe this would have to be the case.) Now, a more sane example, coming back to the original question. A farmer whos family have been on the land for generations. Running short of cash, has to artifically inseminate his pigs because he can't afford to get a stud in (ok, he's not jacking an animal off, but we're still in the bounds of what is potentially bestiality). Did he have to have had a natural tendency towards bestiality? No I don't think so (well he might have of course!), I think other things (such as putting food on the table for his wife and kids) can have an overriding affect on the situation. I think humans are amazingly complex creatures, and I don't think you have to necessarily have an original drive in you to make you do things. I think situations can force people into doing things that they just would never have done - not just because they were ashamed of what society would think. Now maybe in a middle class area, where dealing only with middle class people, with no crime and perfect weather then your argument holds ground. But that just isn't how the world is. Have fun, Paul Westcott.
Paul Westcott wrote: I think humans are amazingly complex creatures, and I don't think you have to necessarily have an original drive in you to make you do things. I think situations can force people into doing things that they just would never have done - not just because they were ashamed of what society would think. Yes, you are right, and this goes along with what I was saying in the first place. I ask that you reread my posts with an open mind this time. As I said, humans work in a positive/negative response system. They do not do things that they despise (i.e.; the negative). Everything thing is weighed, and in a circumstance like such, the negative is the man watching his family and/or himself starve, etc. If you continue to break down what's really going on in this scenario... There are other ways the farmer could raise money. It's not commanded from the heavens with God saying, "Thou shalt spanketh thine livestock." Obviously, he's not going to sell his daughter into slavery for the money to feed her because he despises both of those actions. Like my original point has always been, with or without shame the farmer doesn't mind jerking off a bull to get what he feels he needs. Gratification in one form or another is received. Paul Westcott wrote: and I don't think you have to necessarily have an original drive in you to make you do things. I completely agree with you on this one. :) Jeremy L. Falcon Homepage : Sonork = 100.16311
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