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  • J JudyL_MD

    He is right if it is a blocking socket. If you ask for x bytes in the recv function, it will either deliver x bytes or return a timeout indication. Judy

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    What's a blocking socket?  ;P Thanks Judy!! Mark

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      What's a blocking socket?  ;P Thanks Judy!! Mark

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      Some mythical beast that I've heard about and know the legends about but have never encountered in real life. :cool:

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      • J JudyL_MD

        He is right if it is a blocking socket. If you ask for x bytes in the recv function, it will either deliver x bytes or return a timeout indication. Judy

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        Well Judy, I had to test this before I respectfully disagreed with you :) I respectfully disagree... A blocking Recv() WILL return before all bytes requested are received.  Here's the test I did - note I try to recv 512 bytes but only send 256...

        //----------------------------------------------
        // Listener/ receiver thread (started in CMYTestDlg::OnOK() below)
        //----------------------------------------------
        UINT __cdecl TestThreadProc( LPVOID pParam )
        {
            SOCKET ListenSocket;
            ListenSocket = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_TCP);
            if (ListenSocket == INVALID_SOCKET)
            {
                return 1;
            }

        sockaddr_in service;
            service.sin_family = AF_INET;
            service.sin_addr.s_addr = inet_addr("127.0.0.1");
            service.sin_port = htons(2460);

        if (bind( ListenSocket, (SOCKADDR*) &service, sizeof(service)) == SOCKET_ERROR)
            {
                closesocket(ListenSocket);
                return 1;
            }

        if (listen( ListenSocket, 1 ) == SOCKET_ERROR)
            {
                closesocket(ListenSocket);
                return 1;
            }

        SOCKET AcceptSocket;

        AcceptSocket = accept( ListenSocket, NULL, NULL );
            if (AcceptSocket == INVALID_SOCKET)
            {
                closesocket(ListenSocket);
                return 1;
            }

        BYTE *pBuf = new BYTE[512];
            BYTE *pCurBuf = pBuf;
            int BytesRemaining = 512;

        while (BytesRemaining > 0)
            {
                int CurBytesReceived = ::recv(AcceptSocket, (char*)pCurBuf, BytesRemaining, 0);

        if (CurBytesReceived == 0) //<-- put a breakpoint here - 256 bytes will be received
                {
                    // connection was gracefully closed

        break;
                }
                e

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          Well Judy, I had to test this before I respectfully disagreed with you :) I respectfully disagree... A blocking Recv() WILL return before all bytes requested are received.  Here's the test I did - note I try to recv 512 bytes but only send 256...

          //----------------------------------------------
          // Listener/ receiver thread (started in CMYTestDlg::OnOK() below)
          //----------------------------------------------
          UINT __cdecl TestThreadProc( LPVOID pParam )
          {
              SOCKET ListenSocket;
              ListenSocket = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_TCP);
              if (ListenSocket == INVALID_SOCKET)
              {
                  return 1;
              }

          sockaddr_in service;
              service.sin_family = AF_INET;
              service.sin_addr.s_addr = inet_addr("127.0.0.1");
              service.sin_port = htons(2460);

          if (bind( ListenSocket, (SOCKADDR*) &service, sizeof(service)) == SOCKET_ERROR)
              {
                  closesocket(ListenSocket);
                  return 1;
              }

          if (listen( ListenSocket, 1 ) == SOCKET_ERROR)
              {
                  closesocket(ListenSocket);
                  return 1;
              }

          SOCKET AcceptSocket;

          AcceptSocket = accept( ListenSocket, NULL, NULL );
              if (AcceptSocket == INVALID_SOCKET)
              {
                  closesocket(ListenSocket);
                  return 1;
              }

          BYTE *pBuf = new BYTE[512];
              BYTE *pCurBuf = pBuf;
              int BytesRemaining = 512;

          while (BytesRemaining > 0)
              {
                  int CurBytesReceived = ::recv(AcceptSocket, (char*)pCurBuf, BytesRemaining, 0);

          if (CurBytesReceived == 0) //<-- put a breakpoint here - 256 bytes will be received
                  {
                      // connection was gracefully closed

          break;
                  }
                  e

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          Can you try calling WSAGetLastError after you receive the partial bytes? I'm curious if it is set to show the timeout. According to the documentation, recv should either read all or timeout. The docs do say: Windows Sockets 2 does not define any standard blocking time-out mechanism for this function I think we're hitting this case - the receive has timed out and who knows how the function is reporting the timeout. I think we can safely say the following: For a blocking socket, you need to check the result from the recv and if you don't get the requested number of bytes, you have hit the timeout condition and need to handle it accordingly. Judy

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            Can you try calling WSAGetLastError after you receive the partial bytes? I'm curious if it is set to show the timeout. According to the documentation, recv should either read all or timeout. The docs do say: Windows Sockets 2 does not define any standard blocking time-out mechanism for this function I think we're hitting this case - the receive has timed out and who knows how the function is reporting the timeout. I think we can safely say the following: For a blocking socket, you need to check the result from the recv and if you don't get the requested number of bytes, you have hit the timeout condition and need to handle it accordingly. Judy

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            JudyL_FL wrote:

            Can you try calling WSAGetLastError after you receive the partial bytes?

            Sure :) WSAGetLastError() returns 0; A long time ago, while writing some of my first communication code, I got bit by this (using pipes actually, but it made me look at my sockets code) and it taught me to read the documentation thoroughly (which I wasn't doing apparently :)).  That's when I found this: "For connection-oriented sockets (type SOCK_STREAM for example), calling recv will return as much data as is currently available—up to the size of the buffer specified." FWIW, This also applies to pipes. So, any amount of bytes returned by recv() indicates success.  This can be seen especially when receiving amounts larger than the socket buffer, where the protocol MUST return a buffer full of data to make room to receive more. This seems to be the number one thing overlooked by beginner socket programmers. I studied MS's implementation of TCP a while back, and there is a timeout involved internally, but it's not an error of any kind.  I believe by default it's 200ms (that's the number that comes to mind) before a recv() returns what it has currently buffered.  That's what makes it inefficient to always request more bytes than you're expecting. Mark

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            • J JudyL_MD

              Can you try calling WSAGetLastError after you receive the partial bytes? I'm curious if it is set to show the timeout. According to the documentation, recv should either read all or timeout. The docs do say: Windows Sockets 2 does not define any standard blocking time-out mechanism for this function I think we're hitting this case - the receive has timed out and who knows how the function is reporting the timeout. I think we can safely say the following: For a blocking socket, you need to check the result from the recv and if you don't get the requested number of bytes, you have hit the timeout condition and need to handle it accordingly. Judy

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              Mark Salsbery wrote:

              and it taught me to read the documentation thoroughly

              BTW, I wasn't implying that you don't read the docs - I meant that was a turning point for me, which is why I remember it vividly :) Mark

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                JudyL_FL wrote:

                Can you try calling WSAGetLastError after you receive the partial bytes?

                Sure :) WSAGetLastError() returns 0; A long time ago, while writing some of my first communication code, I got bit by this (using pipes actually, but it made me look at my sockets code) and it taught me to read the documentation thoroughly (which I wasn't doing apparently :)).  That's when I found this: "For connection-oriented sockets (type SOCK_STREAM for example), calling recv will return as much data as is currently available—up to the size of the buffer specified." FWIW, This also applies to pipes. So, any amount of bytes returned by recv() indicates success.  This can be seen especially when receiving amounts larger than the socket buffer, where the protocol MUST return a buffer full of data to make room to receive more. This seems to be the number one thing overlooked by beginner socket programmers. I studied MS's implementation of TCP a while back, and there is a timeout involved internally, but it's not an error of any kind.  I believe by default it's 200ms (that's the number that comes to mind) before a recv() returns what it has currently buffered.  That's what makes it inefficient to always request more bytes than you're expecting. Mark

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                Mark Salsbery wrote:

                WSAGetLastError() returns 0;

                I was curious - it was easier to have you check since you had working code. How long does your recv sit before it returns? Never mind, it's not important. I vaguely remember some socket I did a looooong while back that (I think) waited a whole lot longer than your 200ms. Too far in the past to remember the details or if I had set a timeout value or it was using the built-in one. This may have been on CE, now that I think about it and that's a whole 'nother kettle of sockets. If it wasn't CE, it was long enough ago that it was at least as old as NT4. I think we have our answer - always check the number of bytes received :-D Judy

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                  Mark Salsbery wrote:

                  and it taught me to read the documentation thoroughly

                  BTW, I wasn't implying that you don't read the docs - I meant that was a turning point for me, which is why I remember it vividly :) Mark

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                  no offense taken (especially since I quoted the docs a reply or so back), have a .... wait, where's the beer emoticon??? aaaargh Judy

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                    Mark Salsbery wrote:

                    WSAGetLastError() returns 0;

                    I was curious - it was easier to have you check since you had working code. How long does your recv sit before it returns? Never mind, it's not important. I vaguely remember some socket I did a looooong while back that (I think) waited a whole lot longer than your 200ms. Too far in the past to remember the details or if I had set a timeout value or it was using the built-in one. This may have been on CE, now that I think about it and that's a whole 'nother kettle of sockets. If it wasn't CE, it was long enough ago that it was at least as old as NT4. I think we have our answer - always check the number of bytes received :-D Judy

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                    JudyL_FL wrote:

                    was curious - it was easier to have you check since you had working code.

                    I knew that hehe.

                    JudyL_FL wrote:

                    How long does your recv sit before it returns?

                    About a second (accurate, huh?) from when I hit the OK button - that includes the 1000ms Sleep() in my fancy thread synchronization. I agree it doesn't matter - the internal "timeout" is implementation specific.  Different protocol stack vendors are free to implement the internals the way they want.  That's why I only have MS specific info (and even that is vague now). recv() API behavior, however, is well defined.

                    JudyL_FL wrote:

                    I think we have our answer - always check the number of bytes received

                    Agreed! :beer: Mark

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                    • J JudyL_MD

                      no offense taken (especially since I quoted the docs a reply or so back), have a .... wait, where's the beer emoticon??? aaaargh Judy

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                      :beer: :beer: :beer: :)

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