You can't beat the BBC for documentaries
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares[^] The Power of Nightmares, subtitled The Rise of the Politics of Fear, is a BBC documentary film series, written and produced by Adam Curtis. The series consists of three one-hour films, consisting mostly of a montage of archive footage with Curtis's narration, which were first broadcast in the United Kingdom in late 2004 and have been subsequently aired in multiple countries and shown in several film festivals, including the 2005 Cannes Film Festival. The films compare the rise of the American Neo-Conservative movement and the radical Islamist movement, making comparisons on their origins and noting strong similarities between the two. More controversially, it argues that the threat of radical Islamism as a massive, sinister organised force of destruction, specifically in the form of al-Qaeda, is in fact a myth perpetrated by politicians in many countries—and particularly American Neo-Conservatives—in an attempt to unite and inspire their people following the failure of earlier, more utopian ideologies. PS I advise watching "The Century of the Self" first, when you've a quiet four hours :) As of January 1, 2008, the film has yet to be aired in the United States. Curtis has commented on this failure: “ Something extraordinary has happened to American TV since September 11. A head of the leading networks who had better remain nameless said to me that there was no way they could show it. He said, 'Who are you to say this?' and then he added, 'We would get slaughtered if we put this out.' When I was in New York I took a DVD to the head of documentaries at HBO. I still haven't heard from him.[6]
Just re-watching "Century of the Self" now - very, very good.
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...I doubt you will ever find anything on the bbc that is critical of socialism, they seem to be funny that way.
MrPlankton
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Oh please. I don't watch pissy-boy propaganda, not because I am afraid - the thought is ludicrous and would only occur to someone who walks around afraid of everything including his shadow -- but because I value my time. Grow up and discuss the matter without all your whiney little accusations.
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Diego Moita wrote:
And the BBC documentaries are most of times inteligent.
Really? It wouldn't have anything to do with their unsuported attacks on the U.S. fitting in with your preconceptions about the Yanquis, would it?
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Auntie Beeb doesn't tend to attack our American cousins (she knows who's holding the purse strings :) )
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AndyKEnZ wrote:
Yet another stupid comment made by someone who hasn't seen the documentaries
And you know this how? Are you telepathetic?
AndyKEnZ wrote:
They may have a different religion but they're still Homo Sapiens. Many are quite normal you know.
In short, no they are not like us or there would not be a problem.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
Another one successfully terrorised by the press.
So you don't think that the muslim birth rate is higher than that of the indiginous population? BTW, I am not 'terrorised' by the press since I'm not impressed by or believe that 'terrorism' is the threat, long term.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
Left-leaning, which country do you live in, certainly not the UK.
Huh? So Labour isn't a socialist party? And Gordon Bean isn't a died in the wool socialist with old labour leanings. Which planet do you actually reside on? That is certainly the UK most of us see and that is, in fact, how it is.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
Hilarious. Hey won't the Polish immigrants level things out?
I'm glad you find it funny. And no, the Poles won't. They'll stay awhile, send all the money they make ahome and then leave when the standard of living in Poland rises to a decent level fuelled by EU 'grants' and UK taxpayers money.
digital man wrote:
I'm glad you find it funny. And no, the Poles won't. They'll stay awhile, send all the money they make ahome and then leave when the standard of living in Poland rises to a decent level fuelled by EU 'grants' and UK taxpayers money.
Here, here. And do you know what, I don't in the least blame the Poles who come for coming over trying to better their lives, I singularly blame Fatty B and his league of idiots for failing to see the big picture and for failing to regulate immigration.* ** *Yes it was rhetoric - I know, you know, that I know that you know :) **Incidentally, if you want a hand with Bin The Spin, I'd be happy to help out.
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Oh please. I don't watch pissy-boy propaganda, not because I am afraid - the thought is ludicrous and would only occur to someone who walks around afraid of everything including his shadow -- but because I value my time. Grow up and discuss the matter without all your whiney little accusations.
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Oakman wrote:
whiney little accusations
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Auntie Beeb doesn't tend to attack our American cousins (she knows who's holding the purse strings :) )
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Auntie Beeb doesn't tend to attack our American cousins (she knows who's holding the purse strings :) )
You are talking about the same network that broadcast such a viciously anti-American discussion of 9/11 two days after the attack that they were forced to make a public apology? You are talking about the same network that, according to the British P.M., that, while reporting the aftermath of Katrina, it was full of hate America and "gloating" about our troubles? You are talking about the corporation that has a picture of Bush as Hitler hung up in its newsroom? (According to its own Washington correspondent who went on to say that his employer treated America with scorn and derision.) Last January criticisms of the BBC in regards to its Iraq War coverage were so damning that the chairman of the board of governors and its director general were forced to resign. Recently, Ibrahim Helal, editor in chief of al Jazeera TV was hired by the BBC World Service Trust. The job the BBC wanted him for? To advise on balance in Middle East coverage.(!) And so on and so on and so on. . . .
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Oakman wrote:
whiney little accusations
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However, there are strict Editorial Guidelines that you can read here http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/editorialguidelines/edguide/[^]. Warning, it is a long in-depth read ...
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
there are strict Editorial Guidelines that you can read here
Oh please. The Beeb violates its own policies constantly. They have admitted it and the admission is documented in the Daily Mail^
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I've documented my accusations. You on the other hand have offered up nothing but a whimper. If what I say hurts your feelings, don't read it.
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Where have you documented Diego's preconceived notions? You haven't. Where have you documented that andy is afraid of his own shadow? You haven't. Nor have I wimpered. So get a grip. It will take a bit more that your "na-na poo-poo" insults to hurt my feelings. I am a little embarrassed for you, though.
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You are talking about the same network that broadcast such a viciously anti-American discussion of 9/11 two days after the attack that they were forced to make a public apology? You are talking about the same network that, according to the British P.M., that, while reporting the aftermath of Katrina, it was full of hate America and "gloating" about our troubles? You are talking about the corporation that has a picture of Bush as Hitler hung up in its newsroom? (According to its own Washington correspondent who went on to say that his employer treated America with scorn and derision.) Last January criticisms of the BBC in regards to its Iraq War coverage were so damning that the chairman of the board of governors and its director general were forced to resign. Recently, Ibrahim Helal, editor in chief of al Jazeera TV was hired by the BBC World Service Trust. The job the BBC wanted him for? To advise on balance in Middle East coverage.(!) And so on and so on and so on. . . .
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Oakman wrote:
You are talking about the same network that broadcast such a viciously anti-American discussion of 9/11 two days after the attack that they were forced to make a public apology?
I don't recall... linkage?
Oakman wrote:
You are talking about the same network that, according to the British P.M., that, while reporting the aftermath of Katrina, it was full of hate America and "gloating" about our troubles?
I was in the States at the time of Katrina and watched the whole thing on BBC News - I don't recall the actual broadcasts being gloating or full of hate or anything else you claim that Tony Blair attributed to them.
Oakman wrote:
You are talking about the corporation that has a picture of Bush as Hitler hung up in its newsroom? (According to its own Washington correspondent who went on to say that his employer treated America with scorn and derision.)
But then I remember Alistair Cooke's "Letter from America"
Oakman wrote:
Last January criticisms of the BBC in regards to its Iraq War coverage were so damning that the chairman of the board of governors and its director general were forced to resign.
I don't recall. Are you referring to the Andrew Gilligan affair?
Oakman wrote:
Recently, Ibrahim Helal, editor in chief of al Jazeera TV was hired by the BBC World Service Trust. The job the BBC wanted him for? To advise on balance in Middle East coverage.(!)
Yes?
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
there are strict Editorial Guidelines that you can read here
Oh please. The Beeb violates its own policies constantly. They have admitted it and the admission is documented in the Daily Mail^
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HAHAHHAHAHHAHA! You use the Daily Mail as an argument HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH!
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
there are strict Editorial Guidelines that you can read here
Oh please. The Beeb violates its own policies constantly. They have admitted it and the admission is documented in the Daily Mail^
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Diego Moita wrote:
And the BBC documentaries are most of times inteligent.
Really? It wouldn't have anything to do with their unsuported attacks on the U.S. fitting in with your preconceptions about the Yanquis, would it?
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Oakman wrote:
Really? It wouldn't have anything to do with their unsuported attacks on the U.S. fitting in with your preconceptions about the Yanquis, would it?
No. Read my post again. I said that I respect anyone that defends a view or agenda as long as he/she does it with intelligence. I do have preconceptions about the US. Anyone has preconceptions about the US (good or bad preconceptions). But it doesn't stop me from reading US media and respecting and reading conservative news sources (e.g: Washington Post, The Economist) or writers (George Will, Robert Samuelson). OTH there are several leftist-liberal sources that I don't read. Particularly here in South America.
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
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Where have you documented Diego's preconceived notions? You haven't. Where have you documented that andy is afraid of his own shadow? You haven't. Nor have I wimpered. So get a grip. It will take a bit more that your "na-na poo-poo" insults to hurt my feelings. I am a little embarrassed for you, though.
BillTheCat wrote:
Where have you documented Diego's preconceived notions? You haven't. Where have you documented that andy is afraid of his own shadow? You haven't. Nor have I wimpered. So get a grip. It will take a bit more that your "na-na poo-poo" insults to hurt my feelings. I am a little embarrassed for you, though.
Read Diego's posts. Read Andy's posts - he's the one who suggests that anyone who doesn't watch his favorite documentary is afraid to do so. Pointing out that those who assume fear as a motive are likely to be afraid is sufficient counter, and needs no documentation. Sounds like it from here. na-na-poo-poo? - You continue to add nothing to the discussion.
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HAHAHHAHAHHAHA! You use the Daily Mail as an argument HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH!
martin_hughes wrote:
You use the Daily Mail as an argument HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH!
I knew you'd react that way, that's why I mentioned the Mail first. But if you are sure they didn't get it right try The Guardian^ The Buzz Machine^ Eursoc^ The Anglican Church^ And the Telegraph^ Many of the above cites credit the Mail for originally breaking the story - still laughing???
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Oakman wrote:
You are talking about the same network that broadcast such a viciously anti-American discussion of 9/11 two days after the attack that they were forced to make a public apology?
I don't recall... linkage?
Oakman wrote:
You are talking about the same network that, according to the British P.M., that, while reporting the aftermath of Katrina, it was full of hate America and "gloating" about our troubles?
I was in the States at the time of Katrina and watched the whole thing on BBC News - I don't recall the actual broadcasts being gloating or full of hate or anything else you claim that Tony Blair attributed to them.
Oakman wrote:
You are talking about the corporation that has a picture of Bush as Hitler hung up in its newsroom? (According to its own Washington correspondent who went on to say that his employer treated America with scorn and derision.)
But then I remember Alistair Cooke's "Letter from America"
Oakman wrote:
Last January criticisms of the BBC in regards to its Iraq War coverage were so damning that the chairman of the board of governors and its director general were forced to resign.
I don't recall. Are you referring to the Andrew Gilligan affair?
Oakman wrote:
Recently, Ibrahim Helal, editor in chief of al Jazeera TV was hired by the BBC World Service Trust. The job the BBC wanted him for? To advise on balance in Middle East coverage.(!)
Yes?
You don't recall? My goodness, you sound like a replay of our last, unlamented, Attorney General. If you know so little about the BBC, why do you offer up any comment at all? I assure you that a tiny bit of googling on your part will bring up each and every case of anti-Americanism by the BBC. If
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Oakman wrote:
Really? It wouldn't have anything to do with their unsuported attacks on the U.S. fitting in with your preconceptions about the Yanquis, would it?
No. Read my post again. I said that I respect anyone that defends a view or agenda as long as he/she does it with intelligence. I do have preconceptions about the US. Anyone has preconceptions about the US (good or bad preconceptions). But it doesn't stop me from reading US media and respecting and reading conservative news sources (e.g: Washington Post, The Economist) or writers (George Will, Robert Samuelson). OTH there are several leftist-liberal sources that I don't read. Particularly here in South America.
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.