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Martin Marvinski wrote: CG somehow made me feel like I was missing something because he kept on saying how his life was perfect since he found God. God will only fill a hole in your life if the hole is there to start with. Think alcoholism and drug abuse - it's the same triggers underneath. ____________________ David Wulff What's the point in life if you can't point and laugh when someone trips over themselves? "Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied." - Alex on being a programmer. You can contact my solicitors, Lambert & Butler, on +44 0870 742 4471 24 hours (10 till 4 Sunday).
David Wulff wrote: God will only fill a hole in your life if the hole is there to start with. Think alcoholism and drug abuse - it's the same triggers underneath. So true. I almost got brainwashed because the some religious missionaries kept comming to my door soliciting their religion. With CG's comments, I started to doubt myself, but now I realise that I was falling into some foolishness. Thanks for putting up with my religious month, I'm sure it was hell. :rose: Anyway, make sure you don't zip up your foreskin when you are done peeing... :laugh:
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Christian Graus wrote: Martin, what you probably need is some serious counselling. Why is that? I am just trying to find a religion that is right for me. My mind is very sound, and I run a very successful business, so successful in fact that I can spend time looking at CP instead of worring about money. Who is more sane, someone who speaks in "tongues", or someone who recognizes that doing so is a sign of schizophrenia. I am honestly asking for information on religion, and I can't help that you feel threatened that someone may choose something other than Christianity. In short, I find it very offensive for you to be giving my a phychological exam when you are a programmer, and you are a person who has spoken in tongues(not that it is that bad). How can you determine my mental state just by one post I have made? I think you are insecure with your own religion and if someone seeks something else you automatically want them to go see a counsler. I think you may have issues also.:rose:
Martin Marvinski wrote: I am just trying to find a religion that is right for me. Well, can I start by observing that this is a waste of time. If you want the religion that is right *for you*, then you may as well make up your own. You are in effect saying there is no God, because if there were, you'd be looking for the religion that was right by *Him*. Martin Marvinski wrote: My mind is very sound, and I run a very successful business, so successful in fact that I can spend time looking at CP instead of worring about money. 1. A sound mind and a successful business do not necessarily go together. You can have either without the other 2. I did not say you were not of sound mind 3. How much someone worries about money can be a reflection of many things, your bank account being only one of them ( and a lesser one, I would think ) Martin Marvinski wrote: Who is more sane, someone who speaks in "tongues", or someone who recognizes that doing so is a sign of schizophrenia. The Bible says that God has chosen the foolish things of this world to confound the wise. The fact that it makes no sense to you is irrelevant. It always interests me that people who want to discuss religion often do so based on their own sense of what is right, and what the Bible says is rarely given any priority. Martin Marvinski wrote: I am honestly asking for information on religion, and I can't help that you feel threatened that someone may choose something other than Christianity. On a personal level I could not give a hoot what religion you choose. I would seek to ensure that you have had what I have found to be true presented to you, and I would hope that you would choose it for your own benefit, but I am hardly threatened if you choose a lesser option because it makes more sense to you, or suits you in some other way. You may note that I converse often with people here who do not agree with my religious views, why should I be threatened by your choices ? Martin Marvinski wrote: In short, I find it very offensive for you to be giving my a phychological exam when you are a programmer Martin, it does not take more than casual observation to see that you need some counselling. I did not mean it as an offensive statement, but a piece of serious advice. Martin Marvinski wrote: How can you determine my mental state just by one post
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Michael Dunn wrote: Scratch your arse every minute of every day? No comment. :suss: ____________________ David Wulff I want to be your friend. :rose:
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Martin Marvinski wrote: I am just trying to find a religion that is right for me. Well, can I start by observing that this is a waste of time. If you want the religion that is right *for you*, then you may as well make up your own. You are in effect saying there is no God, because if there were, you'd be looking for the religion that was right by *Him*. Martin Marvinski wrote: My mind is very sound, and I run a very successful business, so successful in fact that I can spend time looking at CP instead of worring about money. 1. A sound mind and a successful business do not necessarily go together. You can have either without the other 2. I did not say you were not of sound mind 3. How much someone worries about money can be a reflection of many things, your bank account being only one of them ( and a lesser one, I would think ) Martin Marvinski wrote: Who is more sane, someone who speaks in "tongues", or someone who recognizes that doing so is a sign of schizophrenia. The Bible says that God has chosen the foolish things of this world to confound the wise. The fact that it makes no sense to you is irrelevant. It always interests me that people who want to discuss religion often do so based on their own sense of what is right, and what the Bible says is rarely given any priority. Martin Marvinski wrote: I am honestly asking for information on religion, and I can't help that you feel threatened that someone may choose something other than Christianity. On a personal level I could not give a hoot what religion you choose. I would seek to ensure that you have had what I have found to be true presented to you, and I would hope that you would choose it for your own benefit, but I am hardly threatened if you choose a lesser option because it makes more sense to you, or suits you in some other way. You may note that I converse often with people here who do not agree with my religious views, why should I be threatened by your choices ? Martin Marvinski wrote: In short, I find it very offensive for you to be giving my a phychological exam when you are a programmer Martin, it does not take more than casual observation to see that you need some counselling. I did not mean it as an offensive statement, but a piece of serious advice. Martin Marvinski wrote: How can you determine my mental state just by one post
Christian Graus wrote: If you want the religion that is right *for you*, then you may as well make up your own. You are in effect saying there is no God, because if there were, you'd be looking for the religion that was right by *Him*. Then why are there so many different religions? Are you saying they are wrong and you are right? How do you know you picked the true religion? You could be wrong about your choise. Christian Graus wrote: 3. How much someone worries about money can be a reflection of many things, your bank account being only one of them I always manage my money carefully, and with great research. That's why I have alot of it. Christian Graus wrote: ( and a lesser one, I would think ) Here you are trying to insult me again. Christian Graus wrote: The Bible says that God has chosen the foolish things of this world to confound the wise. Hey, you are finally admitting I'm wise. :) Christian Graus wrote: I am hardly threatened if you choose a lesser option So all other religions are "lesser" in your mind? I doubt many would find your racism inclusive and Christian like. Christian Graus wrote: Martin, it does not take more than casual observation to see that you need some counselling. I did not mean it as an offensive statement, but a piece of serious advice. So you believe that anyone who doesn't believe in God is "unstable". Christian Graus wrote: I think it's indicative of your problems that you instantly decide that I have problems related to my experience with God whenever I say something you do not like. No, I think you have problems because you automatically think someone needs counseling just because they have a different view point than you. Christian Graus wrote: This is the equivelant of 'I know you are, but what am I'. I'll leave those games to my six year old. Once again with the insults. Christian, I really think you do have some good qualities, but you have to understand there is more to the world than what you know. I don't want those things to hold you back in your life. I know from previous posts you made that your childhood was tough, but you should make the effort not to be so mean.
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Christian Graus wrote: If you want the religion that is right *for you*, then you may as well make up your own. You are in effect saying there is no God, because if there were, you'd be looking for the religion that was right by *Him*. Then why are there so many different religions? Are you saying they are wrong and you are right? How do you know you picked the true religion? You could be wrong about your choise. Christian Graus wrote: 3. How much someone worries about money can be a reflection of many things, your bank account being only one of them I always manage my money carefully, and with great research. That's why I have alot of it. Christian Graus wrote: ( and a lesser one, I would think ) Here you are trying to insult me again. Christian Graus wrote: The Bible says that God has chosen the foolish things of this world to confound the wise. Hey, you are finally admitting I'm wise. :) Christian Graus wrote: I am hardly threatened if you choose a lesser option So all other religions are "lesser" in your mind? I doubt many would find your racism inclusive and Christian like. Christian Graus wrote: Martin, it does not take more than casual observation to see that you need some counselling. I did not mean it as an offensive statement, but a piece of serious advice. So you believe that anyone who doesn't believe in God is "unstable". Christian Graus wrote: I think it's indicative of your problems that you instantly decide that I have problems related to my experience with God whenever I say something you do not like. No, I think you have problems because you automatically think someone needs counseling just because they have a different view point than you. Christian Graus wrote: This is the equivelant of 'I know you are, but what am I'. I'll leave those games to my six year old. Once again with the insults. Christian, I really think you do have some good qualities, but you have to understand there is more to the world than what you know. I don't want those things to hold you back in your life. I know from previous posts you made that your childhood was tough, but you should make the effort not to be so mean.
Martin Marvinski wrote: Are you saying they are wrong and you are right? No, I am saying God is right. For there to be a God, He has to have an opinion, and what He decides is right makes everything else wrong by default. The Bible says this. Martin Marvinski wrote: How do you know you picked the true religion? Because my God answers. Martin Marvinski wrote: Here you are trying to insult me again. No, you're being insecure again. I was saying that the degree to which people worry about money is reflected more strongly in other things ( like the degree to which they value money ) than their bank account ( many people get rich by worrying about money, and I doubt they stop worrying ). Martin Marvinski wrote: So all other religions are "lesser" in your mind? I doubt many would find your racism inclusive and Christian like. I'm not being racist, I am not judgin on race. If I did not think Christianity was the better religion, why would I follow it ? Also, as I said, the idea of all religions being equal is the same as saying there is no God. This in no way equates to judgement of PEOPLE who believe something I do not, but yes, the belief is incorrect if it is not what the Bible says. That's because God said so, not me. Martin Marvinski wrote: So you believe that anyone who doesn't believe in God is "unstable". Someone shoot me. Read this thread and see if I suggested counselling for every person who posted that they do not believe in God. Martin Marvinski wrote: No, I think you have problems because you automatically think someone needs counseling just because they have a different view point than you. you're in denial. Martin Marvinski wrote: you should make the effort not to be so mean. All I did was make a suggestion, in all seriousness, that you get some help. It's decending into hell because you misread everything I say. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002
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Martin Marvinski wrote: Are you saying they are wrong and you are right? No, I am saying God is right. For there to be a God, He has to have an opinion, and what He decides is right makes everything else wrong by default. The Bible says this. Martin Marvinski wrote: How do you know you picked the true religion? Because my God answers. Martin Marvinski wrote: Here you are trying to insult me again. No, you're being insecure again. I was saying that the degree to which people worry about money is reflected more strongly in other things ( like the degree to which they value money ) than their bank account ( many people get rich by worrying about money, and I doubt they stop worrying ). Martin Marvinski wrote: So all other religions are "lesser" in your mind? I doubt many would find your racism inclusive and Christian like. I'm not being racist, I am not judgin on race. If I did not think Christianity was the better religion, why would I follow it ? Also, as I said, the idea of all religions being equal is the same as saying there is no God. This in no way equates to judgement of PEOPLE who believe something I do not, but yes, the belief is incorrect if it is not what the Bible says. That's because God said so, not me. Martin Marvinski wrote: So you believe that anyone who doesn't believe in God is "unstable". Someone shoot me. Read this thread and see if I suggested counselling for every person who posted that they do not believe in God. Martin Marvinski wrote: No, I think you have problems because you automatically think someone needs counseling just because they have a different view point than you. you're in denial. Martin Marvinski wrote: you should make the effort not to be so mean. All I did was make a suggestion, in all seriousness, that you get some help. It's decending into hell because you misread everything I say. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002
Ok you win. I don't think I'll ever win an argument on this subject because religion has had 2000 years to come up with answers to all the questions and criticisms that arise. I'm not going to bring this topic up again because it is one of the few things we disagree upon. There is no point in beating this to death. I want to say that I bear no hard feelings in regards to my discussing this topic with you and I hope you don't resent me in anyway also. It is good to hear someone with anouther opinion anyway. Christianity is not for me at this moment, and I still may find god(probably at my death bed :laugh:).
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I need a religion that I can honestly believe in. The rituals should not be too silly, and having to speak in tounges should be kept to a minimum(I don't want to get locked up in the looney bin). I am sick of my ways, and I want to give up my terrible habits, some of which are very embarrassing. Oh, the God which is right for me, please come forward and I will worship you. I need a World's Religion book so I can sort them all out. Maybe I could spark a revival of some of the ancient Gods.. Which is the most powerful? If you have a cool religion, please note it here, and I will investigate. I am serious so please no spamming or jokes. :)
Martin, the question is why do you need something to believe in ? I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but your posts show a lot of sef doubt (e.g. the post aobut not trusting your wife about contraception). I've found that yes, sometimes people can be terrible, but overall they are pretty amazing when you give them a chance. This does not mean blind trust but careful optimism. Maybe this wil help as it has me when the world has darkened. Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and ignorant; they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexations to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble, it's a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantement, it is as perrenial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy. I hope you find peace within yourself Martin. Elaine :rose: Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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Ok you win. I don't think I'll ever win an argument on this subject because religion has had 2000 years to come up with answers to all the questions and criticisms that arise. I'm not going to bring this topic up again because it is one of the few things we disagree upon. There is no point in beating this to death. I want to say that I bear no hard feelings in regards to my discussing this topic with you and I hope you don't resent me in anyway also. It is good to hear someone with anouther opinion anyway. Christianity is not for me at this moment, and I still may find god(probably at my death bed :laugh:).
A few days ago you claimed to be a Christian, why now, has it become not for you? Is there a reason you are turning your back on what you previously claimed to believe? Is it too difficult for you? What you believe is up to you, but I suggest (since you claimed to be a Christian before) that you go to a quite place and pray. Not just a routine prayer, but spill your guts and talk to God. Plead with him to give you the answers and they will come to you. And whatever it is you decide on, STICK WITH IT! Even the most devote among us doubt what we believe occasionally, but as Christians we have the Holy Spirit living in us, counseling us. All we have to do is listen. Listen to your heart Martin.
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David Wulff wrote: God will only fill a hole in your life if the hole is there to start with. Think alcoholism and drug abuse - it's the same triggers underneath. So true. I almost got brainwashed because the some religious missionaries kept comming to my door soliciting their religion. With CG's comments, I started to doubt myself, but now I realise that I was falling into some foolishness. Thanks for putting up with my religious month, I'm sure it was hell. :rose: Anyway, make sure you don't zip up your foreskin when you are done peeing... :laugh:
A few supporting points so that you'll stay on this right path: If you need religion to give you a sense of moral values that is kinda sad. How does it work when our actions are based upon fear of eternal punishment and hope of salvation in a mythical afterlife? The whole concept of religious faith is a cop-out. By taking something by faith, you are admitting it's an idea that can't stand on it's own evidence. Seeking meaning in life through religion is whole-heartedly stupid. If you need a God (no matter how logically absurd) to tell you who you are, you've got problems of your own. Athiests (me) know that there's no greater "point" to the universe; there's no supreme being serving punishment and judgement. We create our own ideas of fulfillment and morality, of purpose and of judgement. We do not need them handed down from a relgious text. In the words of a great blogger, Steven den Beste, "There's a rare beauty associated with athiesm: I don't need a god to tell me I'm special." The purpose of religion is to fit humans into a hierarchical structure subordinate to a supreme being. People feel more comforatable forced into a certain placement within society, placed somewhere that they know as "their place." Is this the way you want to be, or do you want to create your own placement, subordinate to no being, with your own morality? I've got more at home if you want them. Good choice. Remember that religion is an outdated view on life that may have been helpful during the middle ages, but in today's world of truth no longer fits in. May the Force be with you (sorry)! :laugh:
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