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  • M Matthew Faithfull

    Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

    Have any reason for saying so

    Yes but probably not one you'd accept. We've been around this debate before, I dismiss evolution as the pile of crap it is. Zepp and others loose their rag and post streams of unsubstantiated random abuse, I laugh, you post links to lots of evidence for de-evolution misdiagnosed as evidence for evolution, proving my point but not seeing it and everyone goes away none the wiser. I can only suggest that you look for yourself, you're more capable than me in math and shouldn't have any problem demoshing the paper thin arguments of idiots like Richard Dawkins. The more you look the less evolution and more de-evolution you will see.

    "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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    Matthew Faithfull wrote:

    The more you look the less evolution and more de-evolution you will see.

    So this "de-evolution"... is it part of God's plan?

    - Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. - Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. - Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil? - Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus

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      Paul Watson wrote:

      What are you, 5?

      How can I be a number? Yes, I am the number 5. Brilliant!

      The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.

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      CataclysmicQuantum wrote:

      Yes, I am the number 5

      You're a robot from a movie controlled by a bunch of guys with RF transmitters? Explains a lot...

      regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

      Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:

      At least he achieved immortality for a few years.

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        Just curious if that is your real name... Matthew Faithful. Never heard the surname Faithful before. It is like African tribesmen who select an English name and end up with kids named Precious, Beautiful, Innocent and Cocacola.

        regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

        Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:

        At least he achieved immortality for a few years.

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        Matthew Faithfull
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        It's Faithfull, two ll's and yes it is real and pretty rare, only 3 or 4 families in the UK. In our case its an English transliteration of a corrupted Irish Gealic word which was originally a rude name given to Viking invaders who steal our daughters. At least according to my great Aunt Kay's research. Not as rare as Heher pronounced like 'hair', on my mother's side, only one family in the entire world, also Irish although most of them left during the great potato famine.

        "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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        • P Paul Watson

          I am an aethist and I have moral restraint. Haven't bashed your brains in yet, have I? Stuck. Record.

          regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

          Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:

          At least he achieved immortality for a few years.

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          Matthew Faithfull
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          That's what we call common grace but of course you're not allowed to believe in that :laugh:

          "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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            CataclysmicQuantum wrote:

            Yes, I am the number 5

            You're a robot from a movie controlled by a bunch of guys with RF transmitters? Explains a lot...

            regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

            Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:

            At least he achieved immortality for a few years.

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            CataclysmicQuantum
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            A robot can't jack off to porn on the internet though, ahh the simple human pleasures.

            The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.

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              A robot can't jack off to porn on the internet though, ahh the simple human pleasures.

              The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.

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              Paul Watson
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              The five guys controlling you can though.

              regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

              Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:

              At least he achieved immortality for a few years.

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                That's what we call common grace but of course you're not allowed to believe in that :laugh:

                "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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                Paul Watson
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                I'm allowed to believe in whatever I want to believe, no book or person tells me otherwise. Can be tough and means frequent changes but it does make me responsible for all my actions, unable to do things in the name of someone else.

                regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

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                  Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                  Another, proof by blindness, double negative.

                  Science works on models. A model that explains observed phenomena is accepted as true until an observation that contradicts it is made. So, complete knowledge of all mutations is not necessary to hold theory of evolution as scientifically valid. For example: Newton's laws does not paint an accurate picture of all the forces involved in a given situation, but is a very good approximation for most real world situations. There is a certain expectation of evidence needed for a model to be discarded or modified. I am sure the evolution, natural selection models must have been modified many times. For instance, there is no dispute yet in the scientific community regarding the common origins of the animal kingdom; in case of microbes, there are disagreements (obviously not big enough to discredit the whole theory). I think that it is everyone's duty to aid the scientific process rather than doggedly standing your ground with no evidence. Maybe, one day a living human being may know everything that is to know. Evolution may be wrong; it may be discredited in the future; but please bear in mind that proving that the theory of evolution is wrong does not automatically prove the theory of creation. I get a distinct feeling of pride of your theory being vindicated when you discredit another.

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                  Thomas George wrote:

                  but please bear in mind that proving that the theory of evolution is wrong does not automatically prove the theory of creation.

                  I have no desire or need to 'prove the theory of creation', firstly as for the reasons we agree it connot be proved and secondly becuase it is not a theory.

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                  there is no dispute yet in the scientific community regarding the common origins of the animal kingdom;

                  Not so, there has always been dispute and probably always will be. Newton's laws and evolution are not readily comparable. Newton was stating fundamental universal laws describing reality. Evolutionists, despite recent denials here, are looking for an explanation of observable facts within the framework of the known laws. They have not yet found such an explanantion that does not contradict those laws, yes they will keep searching but to falsely claim success and to falsely claim the theory hasn't changed fundamentally over time and is not therfore a different theory ( This is implicit in calling it Darwinian evolution ) is wrong. Also to interpret all the evidence gathered accoring to the theory they are supposed to be falsifying before evaluating it is bad science. This doesn't just go on with evolution but is sadly a plague in modern science.

                  "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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                    Your mom? Do you like smelly raw fish?

                    The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.

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                    CataclysmicQuantum wrote:

                    Your mom?

                    No.

                    CataclysmicQuantum wrote:

                    Do you like smelly raw fish?

                    Yes.

                    Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                    • M Matthew Faithfull

                      It's Faithfull, two ll's and yes it is real and pretty rare, only 3 or 4 families in the UK. In our case its an English transliteration of a corrupted Irish Gealic word which was originally a rude name given to Viking invaders who steal our daughters. At least according to my great Aunt Kay's research. Not as rare as Heher pronounced like 'hair', on my mother's side, only one family in the entire world, also Irish although most of them left during the great potato famine.

                      "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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                      Paul Watson
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                      Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                      Irish Gealic word which was originally a rude name given to Viking invaders who steal our daughters

                      I live in Waterford, were the vikings landed in Ireland. The locals call the vikings grandad and grandma here ;)

                      Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                      only one family in the entire world

                      That is amazing. I wonder how many other "unique" surnames there are in the world. Mine is common enough. Though if I tried to pronounce Heher I'd probably insult your mother's side by referring to a young, female cow.

                      regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

                      Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:

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                        CataclysmicQuantum wrote:

                        Your mom?

                        No.

                        CataclysmicQuantum wrote:

                        Do you like smelly raw fish?

                        Yes.

                        Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                        fat_boy wrote:

                        Yes.

                        Do you like to lick it and drink its juices?

                        The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.

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                          fat_boy wrote:

                          Yes.

                          Do you like to lick it and drink its juices?

                          The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.

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                          CataclysmicQuantum wrote:

                          Do you like to lick it and drink its juices?

                          After it is cooked, yes.

                          Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                            Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                            Because randomness swamps fractional selective advantage, 500 bad chess players can beat one good one on average, especially if pieces don't always move as either side chooses.

                            This is a false analogy - because the number of players don't stay the same. If every "win" creates a new player, and B wins preferentially over A, then eventually there will be more B players than A players. Do the math. Presto! Evolution! The mutation rate and generation time are perfectly in line with what's been observed. Presto! Evolution!

                            - F

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                            Matthew Faithfull
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                            B doesn't win 500 times more than A so once again your math is wrong. By the time B has gone on two generations it's indestinguishable in terms of superiority from A because of it's accumulated damage. You do the math, Presto extinction!

                            "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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                              Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                              The more you look the less evolution and more de-evolution you will see.

                              So this "de-evolution"... is it part of God's plan?

                              - Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. - Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. - Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil? - Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus

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                              Matthew Faithfull
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                              I'd have to say yes, just as everything else that happens in God's world is part of his plan and subject to his forknowledge. Can't say I understand that plan but then I'm not God. If you have a specific query you should ask him.

                              "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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                                CataclysmicQuantum wrote:

                                Do you like to lick it and drink its juices?

                                After it is cooked, yes.

                                Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                                CataclysmicQuantum
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                                fat_boy wrote:

                                After it is cooked, yes.

                                Eww, so after you have fucked her and dumped in her you get down and lick and suck the juices?

                                The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.

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                                • M Matthew Faithfull

                                  Oakman wrote:

                                  Well the translations don't always agree with each other

                                  Those who have never read the whole tend to massively exagerate the trivial differenes between translations for their own ends. It's seldom even worth arguing about. There are now unfortunately a number of highly corrupted modern 'translations' particularly coming out of the US, stick with an NIV or Good News or something with equivalent academic pedigree and you won't go far wrong.

                                  Oakman wrote:

                                  You aren't one of these guys who thinks that God spoke Elizabethan English, are you?

                                  I'm sure he did at the time, he's considerate like that. :)

                                  "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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                                  Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                                  There are now unfortunately a number of highly corrupted modern 'translations' particularly coming out of the US, stick with an NIV or Good News or something with equivalent academic pedigree and you won't go far wrong.

                                  Interesting. You've never read the originals, but you know which translations are accurate. I wish I was that clever.

                                  Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                                    fat_boy wrote:

                                    After it is cooked, yes.

                                    Eww, so after you have fucked her and dumped in her you get down and lick and suck the juices?

                                    The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.

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                                    Ah, you are refering the female 'cünt'. No, I havent done that.

                                    Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                                      fat_boy wrote:

                                      Reminds me of a girl I used to know

                                      me, too :laugh:

                                      Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                                      CataclysmicQuantum
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                                      That mushroom infected 50 year old stripper? Or that girl in your closet?

                                      The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.

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                                        I'm allowed to believe in whatever I want to believe, no book or person tells me otherwise. Can be tough and means frequent changes but it does make me responsible for all my actions, unable to do things in the name of someone else.

                                        regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

                                        Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:

                                        At least he achieved immortality for a few years.

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                                        Matthew Faithfull
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                                        Paul Watson wrote:

                                        I'm allowed to believe in whatever I want to believe

                                        As am I, I was only referring to your stated position as an atheist being contradicted by any potential belief in Common Grace. You can of course if you wish believe contradictory things but that way lies madness. Of course in your case your statement is not strictly true as, regrdless of your concious choice, you are incapable of believing in God without his intervention to enable you to do so but that's by the way.

                                        Paul Watson wrote:

                                        but it does make me responsible for all my actions

                                        No, you're responsible anyway whatever you believe.

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                                        unable to do things in the name of someone else.

                                        A pity, doing God's work is a marvellous thing, more enjoyable than you'd believe and more rewarding than anything else you could do. For God to speak through you is the greatest privellege in the world and something never to be forgotten.

                                        "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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                                          Ah, you are refering the female 'cünt'. No, I havent done that.

                                          Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                                          CataclysmicQuantum
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                                          fat_boy wrote:

                                          Ah, you are refering the female 'cünt'.

                                          :laugh:

                                          fat_boy wrote:

                                          No, I havent done that.

                                          So you have given head to guys (probably muslim guys), but not girls? :wtf:

                                          The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.

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