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  • L Lost User

    Now that you clarified your position, it is certain that your position cannot be reconciled in a real world democracy without everyone becoming a Christian. I guess all *one and only God* religions have the same problem. They are, by definition, condescending. Nice talking to you.

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    Thomas George wrote:

    They are, by definition, condescending.

    Indeed perhaps the condescention of God is all that stands between each one of us and eternal torment. It was a very good discussion in which you have demonstrated your clear and unsinting reason. Thank you.

    "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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    • S soap brain

      2 Kings 2:23 "And he went up from thence to Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, little boys came out of the city and mocked him, saying: Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And looking back, he saw them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord: and there came forth two bears out of the forest, and tore of them two and forty boys." Luke 19:26 "But I say to you, that to every one that hath shall be given, and he shall abound: and from him that hath not, even that which he hath, shall be taken from him. But as for those my enemies, who would not have me reign over them, bring them hither, and kill them before me." Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And as a man’s enemies shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me, is not worthy of me."

      Drawing on my fine command of language, I said nothing.

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      Matthew Faithfull
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      Good, so you can quote scripture, even the Devil can do that. Do you understand anything from it or intend any point by your selection of quotes?

      "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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      • L Lost User

        The worms dont come from bad hygenie but from the animals in the wild.

        Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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        I'm not worried about hygiene, that's normally fine, but the quality of fish. Chain shops that push large quantities of anonymous salmon seem, to me, to carry more risk than proper Japanese shops that hand select quality fish. Hell, even my local coffee shop, with an Italian ambience, serves sushi.

        Pits fall into Chuck Norris.

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        • P Paul Watson

          Ilíon, please don't think that because I am an aethist that I am part of some greater movement or that I have fellow atheists around me or that I go to gatherings or visit atheist websites or any such thing. I barely got through the God Dellusion. I dislike radical atheists and dislike what many atheists are doing; repeating the mistakes of religion (radicalism, vitriol, arrogance, ignorance etc.) In the context of this thread Matthew said that I cannot be moral as I have no God to give me moral guidance. That is insulting and arrogant. If you believe that too then you are also arrogant and you are insulting me (not aethiest, you are just insulting me. If other aethiests want to be insulted by it then fine but I don't claim they are.) Another thing, as I am soon to be a father; your belief is overt while what I believe is not. My children won't be brought up as atheists, just good people. If they choose faith over reason then fine. But in a Christian household children are brought up as Christians and have to choose to get out. Opt out vs. opt in. And you cannot refute this; Christian children are christened at an age where they do not understand what is going on. That is so wrong I find it hard to tolerate. And I am not "you people" just as you are not "you people." We're both guys trying to live the best lives we can in the way we see fit.

          regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

          Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:

          At least he achieved immortality for a few years.

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          Paul Watson wrote:

          Ilíon, please don't think that because I am an aethist that I am part of some greater movement or that ... And I am not "you people" just as you are not "you people." ...

          I really do make a consious effort to see and react to each person as a unique individual (quite apart from my use of "you people") ... but really! you have to admit that it is sometimes exceeding difficult to keep always before one's mind the truth that 'atheists' are not pod-people or ants of an ant-hill (watch this thread[^]).

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          • P Paul Watson

            Ilíon, please don't think that because I am an aethist that I am part of some greater movement or that I have fellow atheists around me or that I go to gatherings or visit atheist websites or any such thing. I barely got through the God Dellusion. I dislike radical atheists and dislike what many atheists are doing; repeating the mistakes of religion (radicalism, vitriol, arrogance, ignorance etc.) In the context of this thread Matthew said that I cannot be moral as I have no God to give me moral guidance. That is insulting and arrogant. If you believe that too then you are also arrogant and you are insulting me (not aethiest, you are just insulting me. If other aethiests want to be insulted by it then fine but I don't claim they are.) Another thing, as I am soon to be a father; your belief is overt while what I believe is not. My children won't be brought up as atheists, just good people. If they choose faith over reason then fine. But in a Christian household children are brought up as Christians and have to choose to get out. Opt out vs. opt in. And you cannot refute this; Christian children are christened at an age where they do not understand what is going on. That is so wrong I find it hard to tolerate. And I am not "you people" just as you are not "you people." We're both guys trying to live the best lives we can in the way we see fit.

            regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

            Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:

            At least he achieved immortality for a few years.

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            Paul Watson wrote:

            Ilíon, please don't think that because I am an aethist that ...

            Hell, I can even overlook this history[^] (and, as The Dip informs us, you're just trying to be civil)

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            • O Oakman

              Arguably the oddest beast in nature's menagerie, the platypus looks as if were assembled from spare parts left over after the animal kingdom was otherwise complete. Apparently the platypus split off from a common ancestor with humans 170 million years ago.

              Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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              Lost User
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              I once was accused of playing god by some fanatic. Why? I 'dared' to discuss an evolutionary algorithm. It was just for fun to be used in a game instead of the existing 'if-then-else' logic. To better observe the process of evolving a solution we filled the datastructures which served as 'genes' with zeros. As generations were simulated, the datastructures slowly filled with values which came from (programmed) random mutations. The location as well as the new value were determined by a random number generator. There is no doubt that every single value was created randomly. Yet the algorithm relyably evolves a solution every time. Despite all random factors some patterns and intermediate steps can be observed every time. The whole secret is the additional mechanism which filters out the lesser solutions: Selection. A simple evolutionary algorithm is not hard to implement. A high school student could do it. Some poeple should better try it themselves and learn from it. It certainly beats repeating 'truth' they take from an old book and any flawed 'proof' against it. But at least I can live with the thought that someone else is only happy when hanging onto something I regard as total nonsense. Go ahead, think what you want. I simply continue to use evolutionary algorithms, which work nicely despite all rants. And up to now I have not been struck down by god for doing so.

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