Hostages
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Just watched a very interesting BBC documentary on the 1980 Iranian Embassy Siege http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/uk/2000/iranian_embassy_siege/intro.stm[^] Some of the SAS guys are real mean fuckers, but I'm glad to know they are there when needed. One thing I found interesting was one of the English hostages felt like a coward because he didn't do anything to stop the terrorists himself. If you get a chance to watch it, it's worth checking out. I certainly learnt a lot from it, I didn't know that we took when of the bad guys alive (and he's still locked up in England). Although one of the SAS guys looked like he was going to off the guy, and probably would have done if his mates hadn't stopped him. Michael :-) Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana
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Just watched a very interesting BBC documentary on the 1980 Iranian Embassy Siege http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/uk/2000/iranian_embassy_siege/intro.stm[^] Some of the SAS guys are real mean fuckers, but I'm glad to know they are there when needed. One thing I found interesting was one of the English hostages felt like a coward because he didn't do anything to stop the terrorists himself. If you get a chance to watch it, it's worth checking out. I certainly learnt a lot from it, I didn't know that we took when of the bad guys alive (and he's still locked up in England). Although one of the SAS guys looked like he was going to off the guy, and probably would have done if his mates hadn't stopped him. Michael :-) Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana
Unsure about the Michael P Butler wrote: real mean f***ers, description but from what little I have seen it doesn't matter where these guys end up they will be successes. I didn't know about the bad guy locked up, I thought he would have been executed by now. Maybe your government should send him to Texas. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
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Just watched a very interesting BBC documentary on the 1980 Iranian Embassy Siege http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/uk/2000/iranian_embassy_siege/intro.stm[^] Some of the SAS guys are real mean fuckers, but I'm glad to know they are there when needed. One thing I found interesting was one of the English hostages felt like a coward because he didn't do anything to stop the terrorists himself. If you get a chance to watch it, it's worth checking out. I certainly learnt a lot from it, I didn't know that we took when of the bad guys alive (and he's still locked up in England). Although one of the SAS guys looked like he was going to off the guy, and probably would have done if his mates hadn't stopped him. Michael :-) Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana
Yet again the BBC excel themselves with the most gripping documentary I have ever watched. It really made you feel as though you were there. Simon "This is an equal opportunities airline. The pilot is blind." Sonork ID 100.10024
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Unsure about the Michael P Butler wrote: real mean f***ers, description but from what little I have seen it doesn't matter where these guys end up they will be successes. I didn't know about the bad guy locked up, I thought he would have been executed by now. Maybe your government should send him to Texas. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
Colin Davies wrote: I thought he would have been executed by now Well, if he was caught by forces from a third world country he might have been (and if I knew exactly what he did I may have been celebrating), but Europe (the members of EU anyway) cancelled this primitive form of punishment decades ago. I think English law is somewhat geared to NOT having double standards when it comes to justice. "It could have been worse, it could have been ME!" -Rincewind
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Colin Davies wrote: I thought he would have been executed by now Well, if he was caught by forces from a third world country he might have been (and if I knew exactly what he did I may have been celebrating), but Europe (the members of EU anyway) cancelled this primitive form of punishment decades ago. I think English law is somewhat geared to NOT having double standards when it comes to justice. "It could have been worse, it could have been ME!" -Rincewind
jan larsen wrote: cancelled this primitive form of punishment decades ago THe death penalty is not for punishment, it is to act as a deterance, and to protect society. The mere usage of the word punishment is primitive in this PC world. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
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jan larsen wrote: cancelled this primitive form of punishment decades ago THe death penalty is not for punishment, it is to act as a deterance, and to protect society. The mere usage of the word punishment is primitive in this PC world. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
Colin Davies wrote: it is to act as a deterance I'd be worried if people put to death did consider commiting crimes again ;) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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jan larsen wrote: cancelled this primitive form of punishment decades ago THe death penalty is not for punishment, it is to act as a deterance, and to protect society. The mere usage of the word punishment is primitive in this PC world. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
I may agree that the word punishment isn't applicable here as the victim very unlikely (unless you have some beliefs on an afterlife) would register that he/she were punished. But if the idea is to protect the society, then what is wrong with lifetime prison?. I can almost hear you saying 'economics', but there is bound to be some innocents sentenced to Death and I for one wouldn't put a price on a human life. Before you say something like "but capital punishment (oops, there it was again) is such a serious act that the judgement is performed very carefully", let me mention that one of the countries that competes with Iran and China on executions is famous for lawsuits like "They didn't write on their menu that eating 10 burgers a day would make you fat". "It could have been worse, it could have been ME!" -Rincewind
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jan larsen wrote: cancelled this primitive form of punishment decades ago THe death penalty is not for punishment, it is to act as a deterance, and to protect society. The mere usage of the word punishment is primitive in this PC world. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
Colin Davies wrote: THe death penalty is not for punishment, it is to act as a deterance, and to protect society. The mere usage of the word punishment is primitive in this PC world. I used to think that... but what about suicide bombers and the like? The death penalty is no deterrent at all for the most heinous of criminals. Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
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Colin Davies wrote: THe death penalty is not for punishment, it is to act as a deterance, and to protect society. The mere usage of the word punishment is primitive in this PC world. I used to think that... but what about suicide bombers and the like? The death penalty is no deterrent at all for the most heinous of criminals. Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
Navin wrote: I used to think that... but what about suicide bombers and the like? For suicide bomber, death penalty is a minimum, isn't it? Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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Colin Davies wrote: I thought he would have been executed by now Well, if he was caught by forces from a third world country he might have been (and if I knew exactly what he did I may have been celebrating), but Europe (the members of EU anyway) cancelled this primitive form of punishment decades ago. I think English law is somewhat geared to NOT having double standards when it comes to justice. "It could have been worse, it could have been ME!" -Rincewind
Last night's program seem to indicate that one of the SAS boys was ready to put a bullet into the guy, but was stopped by two of him team-mates. They didn't want to do it because of all the media and police around. I've got a feeling if this had been a secret op, none of the terrorists would have walked away. In-fact two of the terrorists who were killed by the SAS had thrown down their guns, however standard operating procedure meant they were killed anyway. Michael :-) Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana