Adam & Eve
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*Ok I thought about putting this in The Lounge but I know that no matter how well meaning, sincere and non-confrontational I am, it will turn into a troll thread so it might as well start here and not be moved here later :)* Any good Christian knows the Bible is a not to be taken literally. God did not create Eve from a rib of Adam and Adam was not made from dust, not literally (and if that statement is wrong then firetruck, make up your minds and tell me whether the Bible is literal or not!) So just what do Christians believe literally happened? How did animals, plants and humans come to be? Were we created as a stone age race and then started learning and building civilisation? Or did we start in the Jesus eara of basic metal work? The reason I asked is because of this new skull found in Chad recently which dates back to 7million years ago and is believed to be quite important in our evolution. When I asked Janina about that, she did not have any answers. So I thought it best to put to rest what I think Christians literally believe in. Thanks. p.s. It is interesting to note that the Time cover for the American edition of the one I have is focused on the hormone issue, while my South African edition is focused on the skull find. What is that implying about American Time readers? :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Alison Pentland wrote: I now have an image of you in front of the mirror in the morning, wearing your knickers, socks and shoes trying to decided if they match!
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*Ok I thought about putting this in The Lounge but I know that no matter how well meaning, sincere and non-confrontational I am, it will turn into a troll thread so it might as well start here and not be moved here later :)* Any good Christian knows the Bible is a not to be taken literally. God did not create Eve from a rib of Adam and Adam was not made from dust, not literally (and if that statement is wrong then firetruck, make up your minds and tell me whether the Bible is literal or not!) So just what do Christians believe literally happened? How did animals, plants and humans come to be? Were we created as a stone age race and then started learning and building civilisation? Or did we start in the Jesus eara of basic metal work? The reason I asked is because of this new skull found in Chad recently which dates back to 7million years ago and is believed to be quite important in our evolution. When I asked Janina about that, she did not have any answers. So I thought it best to put to rest what I think Christians literally believe in. Thanks. p.s. It is interesting to note that the Time cover for the American edition of the one I have is focused on the hormone issue, while my South African edition is focused on the skull find. What is that implying about American Time readers? :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Alison Pentland wrote: I now have an image of you in front of the mirror in the morning, wearing your knickers, socks and shoes trying to decided if they match!
Paul Watson wrote: It is interesting to note that the Time cover for the American edition of the one I have is focused on the hormone issue, while my South African edition is focused on the skull find. What is that implying about American Time readers? Gee I don't know Paul. BTW, do you have a sister? :-D Jeremy Falcon Imputek "..." - Paul Watson 07-17
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Paul Watson wrote: It is interesting to note that the Time cover for the American edition of the one I have is focused on the hormone issue, while my South African edition is focused on the skull find. What is that implying about American Time readers? Gee I don't know Paul. BTW, do you have a sister? :-D Jeremy Falcon Imputek "..." - Paul Watson 07-17
Jeremy Falcon wrote: BTW, do you have a sister? Yes, why? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Alison Pentland wrote: I now have an image of you in front of the mirror in the morning, wearing your knickers, socks and shoes trying to decided if they match!
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: BTW, do you have a sister? Yes, why? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Alison Pentland wrote: I now have an image of you in front of the mirror in the morning, wearing your knickers, socks and shoes trying to decided if they match!
Paul Watson wrote: Yes, why? It was a joke. The American Time mag focused on hormones. What does that imply with American readers... Guys, girls, hormones! Ya know! ;) Jeremy Falcon Imputek "..." - Paul Watson 07-17
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Paul Watson wrote: Yes, why? It was a joke. The American Time mag focused on hormones. What does that imply with American readers... Guys, girls, hormones! Ya know! ;) Jeremy Falcon Imputek "..." - Paul Watson 07-17
Jeremy Falcon wrote: It was a joke. Doh, you mean I shouldn't have just cancelled my sisters internet access to prevent her ever running across you? Dayum... ;) Jeremy Falcon wrote: The American Time mag focused on hormones. What does that imply with American readers... Guys, girls, hormones! Ya know! LOL I know, I have a much better example than my sister (who is rather private about such matters of course): A live-in girlfriend. I am intamitly aquainted with that time of month, unfortunatley. * The implication I got from Time was that their American readers were not the brightest and were more interested in estrogen hormone pills than the evolution of our species :-D God, my spelling is all shot to hell today. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Alison Pentland wrote: I now have an image of you in front of the mirror in the morning, wearing your knickers, socks and shoes trying to decided if they match!
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: It was a joke. Doh, you mean I shouldn't have just cancelled my sisters internet access to prevent her ever running across you? Dayum... ;) Jeremy Falcon wrote: The American Time mag focused on hormones. What does that imply with American readers... Guys, girls, hormones! Ya know! LOL I know, I have a much better example than my sister (who is rather private about such matters of course): A live-in girlfriend. I am intamitly aquainted with that time of month, unfortunatley. * The implication I got from Time was that their American readers were not the brightest and were more interested in estrogen hormone pills than the evolution of our species :-D God, my spelling is all shot to hell today. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Alison Pentland wrote: I now have an image of you in front of the mirror in the morning, wearing your knickers, socks and shoes trying to decided if they match!
Paul Watson wrote: I am intamitly aquainted with that time of month, unfortunatley. My condolences. My thoughts and prayers are with you. Hang in there man. :rose: BTW, I would've actually tried to answer your question, but I'm an atheist. Jeremy Falcon Imputek "..." - Paul Watson 07-17
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*Ok I thought about putting this in The Lounge but I know that no matter how well meaning, sincere and non-confrontational I am, it will turn into a troll thread so it might as well start here and not be moved here later :)* Any good Christian knows the Bible is a not to be taken literally. God did not create Eve from a rib of Adam and Adam was not made from dust, not literally (and if that statement is wrong then firetruck, make up your minds and tell me whether the Bible is literal or not!) So just what do Christians believe literally happened? How did animals, plants and humans come to be? Were we created as a stone age race and then started learning and building civilisation? Or did we start in the Jesus eara of basic metal work? The reason I asked is because of this new skull found in Chad recently which dates back to 7million years ago and is believed to be quite important in our evolution. When I asked Janina about that, she did not have any answers. So I thought it best to put to rest what I think Christians literally believe in. Thanks. p.s. It is interesting to note that the Time cover for the American edition of the one I have is focused on the hormone issue, while my South African edition is focused on the skull find. What is that implying about American Time readers? :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Alison Pentland wrote: I now have an image of you in front of the mirror in the morning, wearing your knickers, socks and shoes trying to decided if they match!
Paul Watson wrote: Any good Christian knows the Bible is a not to be taken literally. God did not create Eve from a rib of Adam and Adam was not made from dust, not literally (and if that statement is wrong then firetruck, make up your minds and tell me whether the Bible is literal or not!) The Bible has a fair amount of symbolism in it - often in the form of dreams or visions then written down. But Genesis was recorded by Moses as a history for his people, so i assume, except where otherwise stated, that it is meant as a literal description of events. Not that it can't be symbolic - often the most effective metaphors are the ones that actually happen. Blanket statements aside, let's look at potential reasons why anyone would question this. If you're not a Christian, but are reading through the Bible for academic purposes, then you could be excused for discarding descriptions such as the creation of Eve; after all, creating a new and unique human out of flesh from an existing one isn't exactly an everyday occurrence (yet). If you're a militant atheist (you know what i'm talking about, we've all met them), then you will most likely seize on the Genesis creation as proof that these are just stories created by early man, seeking an explanation for a world he could neither understand nor control. Fortunately we are no longer afflicted with such limited knowledge and intelligence, and can safely discard these laughable notions. (of course, if you're a non-militant atheist, you don't have to bother explaining this to yourself and everyone else in earshot, so life is much easier) But, why would a Christian call these statements into doubt? Well, now things get interesting: Since Christianity is based on the teachings of the Christ, belief in the Genesis history isn't directly required. Of course, going past that you see that the Christ himself taught from Genesis, his disciples drew upon *much* of the old testament as both foretelling Christ's birth and as a metaphor for his life, and while it is stated that Christianity replaces the laws and regulations of the old testament, never is the veracity of it's historical accounts called into question. Still, the distinction is there. So, there is the Modern Christian, weak in his faith and surrounded by those willing to laugh in his face should he appear to question the conclusions drawn by more current belief systems. He can have his pie and eat it too, simply by subtly calling into question the *exactness* of these early accounts. A
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*Ok I thought about putting this in The Lounge but I know that no matter how well meaning, sincere and non-confrontational I am, it will turn into a troll thread so it might as well start here and not be moved here later :)* Any good Christian knows the Bible is a not to be taken literally. God did not create Eve from a rib of Adam and Adam was not made from dust, not literally (and if that statement is wrong then firetruck, make up your minds and tell me whether the Bible is literal or not!) So just what do Christians believe literally happened? How did animals, plants and humans come to be? Were we created as a stone age race and then started learning and building civilisation? Or did we start in the Jesus eara of basic metal work? The reason I asked is because of this new skull found in Chad recently which dates back to 7million years ago and is believed to be quite important in our evolution. When I asked Janina about that, she did not have any answers. So I thought it best to put to rest what I think Christians literally believe in. Thanks. p.s. It is interesting to note that the Time cover for the American edition of the one I have is focused on the hormone issue, while my South African edition is focused on the skull find. What is that implying about American Time readers? :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Alison Pentland wrote: I now have an image of you in front of the mirror in the morning, wearing your knickers, socks and shoes trying to decided if they match!
Paul Watson wrote: Any good Christian knows the Bible is a not to be taken literally. God did not create Eve from a rib of Adam and Adam was not made from dust, not literally 'Round these here parts Christians generally take their bible literally. The Adam and Eve story is a fact. Get used to it. Now, I have tried, for purposes of humor mainly, to convice some that the theory of evolution does not necessarily contradict the bible. It just fills in some of the details of how God went about his create'n. "Human imagination has been sculpted by the universe within which it was born" Hmmmm...
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Paul Watson wrote: Any good Christian knows the Bible is a not to be taken literally. God did not create Eve from a rib of Adam and Adam was not made from dust, not literally 'Round these here parts Christians generally take their bible literally. The Adam and Eve story is a fact. Get used to it. Now, I have tried, for purposes of humor mainly, to convice some that the theory of evolution does not necessarily contradict the bible. It just fills in some of the details of how God went about his create'n. "Human imagination has been sculpted by the universe within which it was born" Hmmmm...
Darn good answer Reverend !! Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said byRoger Wright about me.
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*Ok I thought about putting this in The Lounge but I know that no matter how well meaning, sincere and non-confrontational I am, it will turn into a troll thread so it might as well start here and not be moved here later :)* Any good Christian knows the Bible is a not to be taken literally. God did not create Eve from a rib of Adam and Adam was not made from dust, not literally (and if that statement is wrong then firetruck, make up your minds and tell me whether the Bible is literal or not!) So just what do Christians believe literally happened? How did animals, plants and humans come to be? Were we created as a stone age race and then started learning and building civilisation? Or did we start in the Jesus eara of basic metal work? The reason I asked is because of this new skull found in Chad recently which dates back to 7million years ago and is believed to be quite important in our evolution. When I asked Janina about that, she did not have any answers. So I thought it best to put to rest what I think Christians literally believe in. Thanks. p.s. It is interesting to note that the Time cover for the American edition of the one I have is focused on the hormone issue, while my South African edition is focused on the skull find. What is that implying about American Time readers? :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Alison Pentland wrote: I now have an image of you in front of the mirror in the morning, wearing your knickers, socks and shoes trying to decided if they match!
Why do you generalizze so much about Christians, There are many theories, and only mine is right. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said byRoger Wright about me.