Muslim Menu runs into high speed trouble in Spain

[Stan Shannon]

Oakman wrote:

You state "facts" which are opinions and interpretations. I'm beginning to realise that you don't know the difference. For instance, jibber-jabbering on and on about how everyone is either a Marxist or a Jeffersonian doesn't make it a fact. It remains a religious belief announced from the pulpit of your keyboard with all the passion the Pope has for Easter.

My interpretations are based on facts. For example, it is an historic fact that the enlightenment produced two basic philosophies which most modern western governments are founded upon. One was the American revolution and the other was the rise of Marxism in Europe about a century later. If you know of some other, you are free to specify what it was, and what philosophers articulated it. I claim that all modern governments are either Jeffersonian or Marxist, that is indeed my thesis, because those are the only two possibilities that I am aware of. I know of no other source that any modern government could possibly be derived from. I don't claim that they are prestine examples of what either the original Jeffersonians or the original Marxists envisioned, only that they can generally be traced back to one of those two sources. futher, Jeffersonianism is based upon a bottom up, grass roots, self regulated collectivism, and Marxism is based upon a top down, centrally planned collectivism. They are mirror images of one another, they are polar opposites and cannot be cobbled together by any sort of political manipulation to produce a viable offspring.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Ilion]

killabyte wrote:

i dont consider it irrational :-D but i am a dirty liberal tree huggin hippie

I'm sure you don't. So what? Regardless of your considerations, it is irrational to be "anti american foreign policy" ... unless, of course, one wishes the world to be even worse than it is now. If one does indeed wish the world to be a more dangerous and less civilized place that it is now, then of course it is rational to be "anti american foreign policy" ... it's wicked, but it is rational. I'm sure you also don't consider you hemi-demi-Buddhism to be irrational. Again, so what? It is the height of irrationality to say (and claim to believe): "I do not exist"

[killabyte]

i am glad you made the comparision to the roman empire, but fascism as a doctrine was around long before the 1920s

[killabyte]

hahaha as i said i dont prescribe to any religion ;) and i dont think a rational person would make the choice to attack his own people in a false flag operation 9/11 just to secure 24% of the global oil reserves, that is crazy. and i will always consider 911 to be false flag until u can tell me how WTC7 was "pulled". (words of the owner himself) And how a whole plane can disappear from the pentagon crash site leaving no debris at all. only 3 modern steel structured buildings have ever fallen for the "cited" reason of fire WTC1,WTC2,WTC7.... put on your engineering hat and tell me that there is nothing sinister going on :confused:

[Stan Shannon]

killabyte wrote:

i am glad you made the comparision to the roman empire

I didn't.

killabyte wrote:

but fascism as a doctrine was around long before the 1920s

No, as a matter of fact, it was not. Just as with the progressive movmenet, it evolved directly out of Marxist political theory. It is very much a part of the post enlightenment modern era.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Oakman]

The only fact you actually cite is that there was a period of history called the enlightenment. Everything else is interpretation.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

[Joan M]

No, we always go everywhere by plane or by foot, and if those nasty guys from RENFE would allow us to eat something decent we could add the train to that list, but of course, they don't. Of course speaking on the public transport, you have to choose between plane, train, bus or taxi. and the real options are always the plane and the AVE train in order to make that travel... And my question was: why to bother on the meals if you don't have competitors to worry about?

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[Oakman]

I think you are striving for humor, but I am afraid we don't share enough cultural referents. I wish I knew more about Spain.

Joan Murt wrote:

why to bother on the meals if you don't have competitors to worry about

Well, if you give them fewer reasons to hate you, perhaps they'll use you even when it's not absolutely necessary?

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

[Joan M]

Yes, I'm striving for humor... :) you should come to visit my country, there are several wonderful places. And we don't have a nice public transport as the German one, but we can go to everywhere without major problems. The cuisine we have is also wonderful, and you will be able to enjoy our culture in several ways. (Now after asking for my plus bonification to our travel agencies( ;) ), if you plan to come, study the different kind of travels my country can offer you, you'll find yours and enjoy it a lot for sure). You are right, I tend to be as open minded as possible, I usually say: "Meanwhile they do not force me to wear that or to eat those or... it will be fine". The only thing that makes me mad is to hear that even after an effort to approach two cultures some people of that culture say it is not enough. OK, I know that but "we have made that in order to make you feel more comfortable you know?"... This is what I can't stand. I only have tried to mean that when I go to another country (and I've been in 17 different ones) I've appreciated any kind of trial to make me feel more comfortable, and of course I've never thought that it is not enough. I also must say that it is really strange that this kind of demonstrations happen. When I went to china nobody asked me if I liked the menu (I enjoyed it a lot) but I was able to choose between eating that or not eating. (They allowed me to ask for forks and knives though (and I didn't got them just to discover I'm not good with the chopsticks)).

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[Stan Shannon]

Oakman wrote:

The only fact you actually cite is that there was a period of history called the enlightenment. Everything else is interpretation

Then, apparently, I have managed to completely miss an entire episode of political history. I sure you would post some citations so I could catch up.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.