Sometimes I wonder what development is coming to
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Just been looking through the VC++ forum and can't believe some of the questions being asked by people who state they are just starting out in VC++. Does the phrase, "learn to walk before you try to run" mean anything anymore? Are companies expeeting too much from their employees or are the programming jobs being filled by "interview bluffers"? I despair. Michael :-) Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana
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Just been looking through the VC++ forum and can't believe some of the questions being asked by people who state they are just starting out in VC++. Does the phrase, "learn to walk before you try to run" mean anything anymore? Are companies expeeting too much from their employees or are the programming jobs being filled by "interview bluffers"? I despair. Michael :-) Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana
Michael P Butler wrote: Just been looking through the VC++ forum and can't believe some of the questions being asked by people who state they are just starting out in VC++. We're just observing the seasonal migration from VB to VC. Most of these birds will be killed by predators or will die of hunger. Only the best will survive :-D Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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Michael P Butler wrote: Just been looking through the VC++ forum and can't believe some of the questions being asked by people who state they are just starting out in VC++. We're just observing the seasonal migration from VB to VC. Most of these birds will be killed by predators or will die of hunger. Only the best will survive :-D Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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- Protection from what? Zee Germans?Tomasz Sowinski wrote: We're just observing the seasonal migration from VB to VC. Most of these birds will be killed by predators or will die of hunger. Only the best will survive What a lovely analogy. Well said. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said byRoger Wright about me.
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Just been looking through the VC++ forum and can't believe some of the questions being asked by people who state they are just starting out in VC++. Does the phrase, "learn to walk before you try to run" mean anything anymore? Are companies expeeting too much from their employees or are the programming jobs being filled by "interview bluffers"? I despair. Michael :-) Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana
Yes, it is curious, many of the questions look like they could be solved from a beginners book. Has the school year recently started in the US ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said byRoger Wright about me.
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Michael P Butler wrote: Just been looking through the VC++ forum and can't believe some of the questions being asked by people who state they are just starting out in VC++. We're just observing the seasonal migration from VB to VC. Most of these birds will be killed by predators or will die of hunger. Only the best will survive :-D Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
- It's for protection
- Protection from what? Zee Germans?Tomasz Sowinski wrote: We're just observing the seasonal migration from VB to VC. Most of these birds will be killed by predators or will die of hunger. Only the best will survive Nice. That's got new sig written all over it. Insightful +5 Michael :-) Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana
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Yes, it is curious, many of the questions look like they could be solved from a beginners book. Has the school year recently started in the US ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said byRoger Wright about me.
Curiously, summer session is just coming to a close. Perhaps the final exams are causing this phenomenon, as the summer session is much shorter than the fall and winter semesters. The summer session is makeup time, or is used to cram a lot into too little time. If you see the same names (or posts) in mid- to late December, they flunked and had to retake the course. "Knock, knock." "Who's there?" "Recursion." "Recursion who?" "Knock, knock..."
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Just been looking through the VC++ forum and can't believe some of the questions being asked by people who state they are just starting out in VC++. Does the phrase, "learn to walk before you try to run" mean anything anymore? Are companies expeeting too much from their employees or are the programming jobs being filled by "interview bluffers"? I despair. Michael :-) Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana
Michael P Butler wrote: Just been looking through the VC++ forum and can't believe some of the questions being asked by people who state they are just starting out in VC++. Does the phrase, "learn to walk before you try to run" mean anything anymore? A: There is a Visual C++.NET Competition on the go B: Everyone says because I am from VBland I cannot hack it in C++. That is enough challenge on it's own C: I want to see what all the C++ fuss is about D: Walking is for babies E: I would rather trip while running than walking and finally; F: Tomorrow is the deadline for the comp. and I have a few things to iron out which I could either stay up all night to figure out on my own, or ask a few of you Guru Heads and learn within 5 minutes Sorry if I make you despair, but I ain't here to make peoples lives easier :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Alison Pentland wrote: I now have an image of you in front of the mirror in the morning, wearing your knickers, socks and shoes trying to decided if they match!
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Yes, it is curious, many of the questions look like they could be solved from a beginners book. Has the school year recently started in the US ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said byRoger Wright about me.
Colin Davies wrote: Yes, it is curious, many of the questions look like they could be solved from a beginners book. Has the school year recently started in the US ? No Paul Watson decided to enter the VC++.NET Comp. :-D Sorry if some of my questions are beneath the average C++ coder, I just needed to learn rather fast. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Alison Pentland wrote: I now have an image of you in front of the mirror in the morning, wearing your knickers, socks and shoes trying to decided if they match!
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Michael P Butler wrote: Just been looking through the VC++ forum and can't believe some of the questions being asked by people who state they are just starting out in VC++. Does the phrase, "learn to walk before you try to run" mean anything anymore? A: There is a Visual C++.NET Competition on the go B: Everyone says because I am from VBland I cannot hack it in C++. That is enough challenge on it's own C: I want to see what all the C++ fuss is about D: Walking is for babies E: I would rather trip while running than walking and finally; F: Tomorrow is the deadline for the comp. and I have a few things to iron out which I could either stay up all night to figure out on my own, or ask a few of you Guru Heads and learn within 5 minutes Sorry if I make you despair, but I ain't here to make peoples lives easier :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Alison Pentland wrote: I now have an image of you in front of the mirror in the morning, wearing your knickers, socks and shoes trying to decided if they match!
I haven't had any problems with your questions. I was just reading through last night and found the quality of question to be lacking. A lot tend to be anon posts and usually demand help rather than asking for it. It has made me wonder whether modern day programming has become so complex that it is getting harder for people to use C++ for developing. I started C++ is DOS and so didn't have all the Windows crap to worry about. I had a nice gradual learning curve. Today, people seem to jump straight into writing full blown Windows apps rather than learning the basics first. I guess this is why C# came along, a modern language for Windows apps but without the steep learning curve of C++. Is this true, or does my C++ experience give me a false assumption of the C# learning curve. Michael :-) Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana
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I haven't had any problems with your questions. I was just reading through last night and found the quality of question to be lacking. A lot tend to be anon posts and usually demand help rather than asking for it. It has made me wonder whether modern day programming has become so complex that it is getting harder for people to use C++ for developing. I started C++ is DOS and so didn't have all the Windows crap to worry about. I had a nice gradual learning curve. Today, people seem to jump straight into writing full blown Windows apps rather than learning the basics first. I guess this is why C# came along, a modern language for Windows apps but without the steep learning curve of C++. Is this true, or does my C++ experience give me a false assumption of the C# learning curve. Michael :-) Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana
Michael P Butler wrote: It has made me wonder whether modern day programming has become so complex that it is getting harder for people to use C++ for developing. I started C++ is DOS and so didn't have all the Windows crap to worry about. I had a nice gradual learning curve. Today, people seem to jump straight into writing full blown Windows apps rather than learning the basics first. Well my situation is obviously quite different to the norm. I am doing this for a bit of a lark, to enter that comp. and to see what all this C++ fuss is about. You gurus do bring it partly upon yourself with all the "C++ is the only language" stuff. Guys who would normally stick to easier languages like VB or C# then get pushed to learning C++, if nothing more than to say they can do it because "good programmers are C++ programmers." If you aren't C++, then you are nothing basically. I laugh at the VB jokes but it does get a bit much after awhile. But from what I have seen of other dev. shops when C++ is the language then yes newbies get thrown into full blown Windows apps and I can just see the desperation on their faces. They try the beginner tutorials but it is not a fast track by any means, there is no such thing. So they get more desperate (that Windows Form app has to be in by friday ya know) and start asking a bevy of questions hoping it will reveal the key to C++. There is no key, thats for sure. It takes time and hard work. And of course yes you get the lazy jacks who just copy and paste and hope someone will write their app for them. But you do get the genuine guys in a bad situation with their job on the line who need to be set on the right course (that is, from the bottom up.) With other languages, like VB or C#, it is easier. No doubt about it. You have form designers, wizards, templates and a bunch of stuff which allow you t get in the thick of things, without actually knowing what the hell is going on. Heck in VS.NET you bang up a form, drag a SQL connector, a SQL data adapter and a DataSet across to the form. Then you bang on a datagrid, connect the lot up and vavoom! A fully functioning data app in a nice shiny window. Ask that guy (heck, ask me the first time I was doing VB) what is going behind the scenes. Or to modify a seemingly small part of the app to do something that the form designers had not thought of. What happens? The guy has no clue and he flails about. I banged my head against a problem yesterday and then a wiser developer showed me that a For
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Just been looking through the VC++ forum and can't believe some of the questions being asked by people who state they are just starting out in VC++. Does the phrase, "learn to walk before you try to run" mean anything anymore? Are companies expeeting too much from their employees or are the programming jobs being filled by "interview bluffers"? I despair. Michael :-) Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana
So true. :-D
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Michael P Butler wrote: It has made me wonder whether modern day programming has become so complex that it is getting harder for people to use C++ for developing. I started C++ is DOS and so didn't have all the Windows crap to worry about. I had a nice gradual learning curve. Today, people seem to jump straight into writing full blown Windows apps rather than learning the basics first. Well my situation is obviously quite different to the norm. I am doing this for a bit of a lark, to enter that comp. and to see what all this C++ fuss is about. You gurus do bring it partly upon yourself with all the "C++ is the only language" stuff. Guys who would normally stick to easier languages like VB or C# then get pushed to learning C++, if nothing more than to say they can do it because "good programmers are C++ programmers." If you aren't C++, then you are nothing basically. I laugh at the VB jokes but it does get a bit much after awhile. But from what I have seen of other dev. shops when C++ is the language then yes newbies get thrown into full blown Windows apps and I can just see the desperation on their faces. They try the beginner tutorials but it is not a fast track by any means, there is no such thing. So they get more desperate (that Windows Form app has to be in by friday ya know) and start asking a bevy of questions hoping it will reveal the key to C++. There is no key, thats for sure. It takes time and hard work. And of course yes you get the lazy jacks who just copy and paste and hope someone will write their app for them. But you do get the genuine guys in a bad situation with their job on the line who need to be set on the right course (that is, from the bottom up.) With other languages, like VB or C#, it is easier. No doubt about it. You have form designers, wizards, templates and a bunch of stuff which allow you t get in the thick of things, without actually knowing what the hell is going on. Heck in VS.NET you bang up a form, drag a SQL connector, a SQL data adapter and a DataSet across to the form. Then you bang on a datagrid, connect the lot up and vavoom! A fully functioning data app in a nice shiny window. Ask that guy (heck, ask me the first time I was doing VB) what is going behind the scenes. Or to modify a seemingly small part of the app to do something that the form designers had not thought of. What happens? The guy has no clue and he flails about. I banged my head against a problem yesterday and then a wiser developer showed me that a For
Paul, What I find great about C++ is the more I learn how to use it, the more I see to learn. Once when we had an upgrade of COBOL at work, I took the new manuals home for the weekend and was able to start using the new stuff on the Monday. Learning C++ is by far the steepest 'language' curve that I have encountered. Because I'm always learning new possibilities. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said byRoger Wright about me.
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Michael P Butler wrote: Just been looking through the VC++ forum and can't believe some of the questions being asked by people who state they are just starting out in VC++. We're just observing the seasonal migration from VB to VC. Most of these birds will be killed by predators or will die of hunger. Only the best will survive :-D Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
- It's for protection
- Protection from what? Zee Germans?Tomasz Sowinski wrote: We're just observing the seasonal migration from VB to VC. Most of these birds will be killed by predators or will die of hunger. Only the best will survive ROTFL
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Just been looking through the VC++ forum and can't believe some of the questions being asked by people who state they are just starting out in VC++. Does the phrase, "learn to walk before you try to run" mean anything anymore? Are companies expeeting too much from their employees or are the programming jobs being filled by "interview bluffers"? I despair. Michael :-) Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana
Reminds me of when I had a really uphill struggle explaining to a friend that there wasn't a standard c++ call to play a wav file. I had to explain that he'd either have to write his own code to load the wav and interface with the win32 api (assuming he was programming for windows, that was), or use another 3rd party api. The whole concept of api calls and c++ standard syntax seemed to be a totally alien concept -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!