Are the Russians justified in attacking Georgia?
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Sarkozy and Kouchner are buffons. That said, I don't see why we should be consider responsible for the incoherences of the US foreign policy, making opposite statements when regarding Kosovo and South Ossetia. Next, why should we help Georgia, a country which deliberately chose to use force and shell civilians?
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Ka?l wrote:
why should we help Georgia, a country which deliberately chose to use force and shell civilians?
remember that. God only knows, no one would expect the French to help anyone.
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Ka?l wrote:
Why should they be denied the right to self-determination?
They shouldn't. My point is that Putin used them as bait, but this doesn't make their wish less legitimate. However, as a side comment: is there anything more typically Caucasian, Middle Eastern and Balkan than "consider themselves as different people"? I mean in the western side of the world (the Americas) different people can get along very well. In the Balkans, Caucasus and Middle East they seem to be always on the verge of cutting their neighbors throat just because they have a different language, religion or ethnicity. I think the "Old World" of Europe, Caucasus, Central Asia and Middle East has a lot to learn from us in the "New World", from Canada to Argentina.
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Diego Moita wrote:
I think the "Old World" of Europe, Caucasus, Central Asia and Middle East has a lot to learn from us in the "New World", from Canada to Argentina.
Absolutely. I mean, look at how well you and I get along! :-D Got my 5, anyway.
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oilFactotum wrote:
I never have.
Your lies have reached the level of Ilion. What a pathetic achievement. Why don't you just admit you were wrong to have done so, and suggest we both get on with our lives?
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I haven't lied. I made my statement and patiently explained it to you twice. Your refusal to comprehend is all on you. Quite frankly it is you that seems to immulate Illion by your inability to support your position with anything other than childish name calling. Let me know when you are ready for an adult conversation.
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Diego Moita wrote:
I think the "Old World" of Europe, Caucasus, Central Asia and Middle East has a lot to learn from us in the "New World", from Canada to Argentina.
Absolutely. I mean, look at how well you and I get along! :-D Got my 5, anyway.
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There's a very large difference between a polite verbal disagreement, and wanting to kill someone for what his great great great great great great grandfather did to your great great great great great great grandfather. :cool:
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I haven't lied. I made my statement and patiently explained it to you twice. Your refusal to comprehend is all on you. Quite frankly it is you that seems to immulate Illion by your inability to support your position with anything other than childish name calling. Let me know when you are ready for an adult conversation.
oilFactotum wrote:
made my statement
Actually Diego made his statement about what he called an illegal and tragic invasion*. You were the one who decided it was worth a laughter icon.
oilFactotum wrote:
childish name calling. Let me know when you are ready for an adult conversation
Aren't you the guy who just called Mike a "tool?" Was that your idea of an adult conversation? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: * or something close to that.
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fat_boy wrote:
Putting a soldier in a tank in a foreign country
Not if you have given him orders to withdraw, as the Russians have been claiming they were doing for a week.
fat_boy wrote:
Like wise I am sure the behaviour of some troops in Iraq is not US policy.
If I remember correctly, the majority of Iraqis greeted the US and UK as liberators. (Yes, the situation changed because of the idiotic mistakes made by the US.) Have you seem lots of footage of Georgians greeting the Russians with open arms? Perhaps you could point us to a website showing Russian troops handing out candy bars to the kids - as opposed to running them down with their tanks.
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There's a very large difference between a polite verbal disagreement, and wanting to kill someone for what his great great great great great great grandfather did to your great great great great great great grandfather. :cool:
Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall
dan neely wrote:
his great great great great great great grandfather did to your great great great great great great grandfather
Was that Diego's great great great great great great grandfather??? Wait until I get my hands on that S.O.B.!
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oilFactotum wrote:
made my statement
Actually Diego made his statement about what he called an illegal and tragic invasion*. You were the one who decided it was worth a laughter icon.
oilFactotum wrote:
childish name calling. Let me know when you are ready for an adult conversation
Aren't you the guy who just called Mike a "tool?" Was that your idea of an adult conversation? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: * or something close to that.
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Oakman wrote:
Actually Diego
Actually this is exactly what he said(emphasis mine): "Isn't it fascinating to see neocons protesting against an illegal and unjustified invasion of a sovereign country?" Any time you want to have an adult converstion, let me know.
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Diego Moita wrote:
I think the "Old World" of Europe, Caucasus, Central Asia and Middle East has a lot to learn from us in the "New World", from Canada to Argentina.
Absolutely. I mean, look at how well you and I get along! :-D Got my 5, anyway.
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Oakman wrote:
Absolutely. I mean, look at how well you and I get along! [Big Grin]
The only people I hate today are Argentinians. :mad::mad: X| They kicked us out[^] of the men football finals in the Olympic games. Now, go Nigeria! Grind them!
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If you intentionally misunderstood me, dont. If not, ask me to explain.
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fat_boy wrote:
If you intentionally misunderstood me, dont.
What's the magic word?
fat_boy wrote:
If not, ask me to explain.
If you felt my comments weren't directly addressing yours, then by all means, elucidate. To recap what I said, in simpler terms: A. Troops ordered to leave the country do not drive around the center of towns crushing vehicles with their armored cars. B. In the early days of the Iraq invasion, the interactions between US & UK soldiers and the Iraqi populace were benign and often friendly.
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Oakman wrote:
Absolutely. I mean, look at how well you and I get along! [Big Grin]
The only people I hate today are Argentinians. :mad::mad: X| They kicked us out[^] of the men football finals in the Olympic games. Now, go Nigeria! Grind them!
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Diego Moita wrote:
They kicked us out
I have trouble understanding phrases like "a Brazil side who had Lucas Leiva and Thiago Neves sent off late on." :-O
Diego Moita wrote:
Now, go Nigeria! Grind them!
Well, even if they can't defeat Argentina, there's a good chance they will get their bank account numbers.
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Oakman wrote:
Actually Diego
Actually this is exactly what he said(emphasis mine): "Isn't it fascinating to see neocons protesting against an illegal and unjustified invasion of a sovereign country?" Any time you want to have an adult converstion, let me know.
oilFactotum wrote:
against an illegal and unjustified invasion of a sovereign country?"
Well, I suppose it's good that one of us has enough interest in this conversation to look up the quote. And you agree that you answered with a laughter icon, too, right?
oilFactotum wrote:
Any time you want to have an adult converstion, let me know.
So you can start calling me a "tool" and other such adult conversational ploys? Like what-- a "wrench?" a "pencil sharpener?" I'm not sure I'm ready for your brand of adult conversation. Maybe I should go talk to my great niece for practice. . . . "A bottle opener?"
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Your entire post reads like it was written by Adnan. You have got even the incoherence down pat.
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Actually, he have a point.
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Diego Moita wrote:
They kicked us out
I have trouble understanding phrases like "a Brazil side who had Lucas Leiva and Thiago Neves sent off late on." :-O
Diego Moita wrote:
Now, go Nigeria! Grind them!
Well, even if they can't defeat Argentina, there's a good chance they will get their bank account numbers.
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Oakman wrote:
Well, even if they can't defeat Argentina, there's a good chance they will get their bank account numbers.
Hey, a hard work Nigerian has to pay his way to the Olympics somehow.
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Actually, he have a point.
Bassam Saoud wrote:
Actually, he have a point
Hard to spot the point, but assuming it's why should we help stop an invasion where innocents are getting killed, I think my phrasing expresses my opinion. Doesn't matter to me whether it's Georgians attacking Osettians or Russians attacking Georgians, I think France should get up off its ass and help the US and the UK try to stop the bloodshed. Of course, strictly speaking Sarkozy has been trying to do that and deserves props, even though, so far, he's failed miserably.
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Bassam Saoud wrote:
Actually, he have a point
Hard to spot the point, but assuming it's why should we help stop an invasion where innocents are getting killed, I think my phrasing expresses my opinion. Doesn't matter to me whether it's Georgians attacking Osettians or Russians attacking Georgians, I think France should get up off its ass and help the US and the UK try to stop the bloodshed. Of course, strictly speaking Sarkozy has been trying to do that and deserves props, even though, so far, he's failed miserably.
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Well the French worked out that cease fire right? The French foriegn policy with Sarkozy I would say is more than great.
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oilFactotum wrote:
against an illegal and unjustified invasion of a sovereign country?"
Well, I suppose it's good that one of us has enough interest in this conversation to look up the quote. And you agree that you answered with a laughter icon, too, right?
oilFactotum wrote:
Any time you want to have an adult converstion, let me know.
So you can start calling me a "tool" and other such adult conversational ploys? Like what-- a "wrench?" a "pencil sharpener?" I'm not sure I'm ready for your brand of adult conversation. Maybe I should go talk to my great niece for practice. . . . "A bottle opener?"
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Since you have shown yourself unwilling to engage in honest, adult conversation - we're done. Good bye.
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Well the French worked out that cease fire right? The French foriegn policy with Sarkozy I would say is more than great.
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Since you have shown yourself unwilling to engage in honest, adult conversation - we're done. Good bye.
oilFactotum wrote:
Since you have shown yourself unwilling to engage in honest, adult conversation
Are you upset because I didn't call you a tool?
oilFactotum wrote:
Good bye.
Okay, Okay - you're a tool!
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given how the Georgians have been treating South Ossetians recently.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
No. I don't think for a single second that Putin has any interest in the people of South Ossetia, except as convenient pawns in his latest "game". Make no mistake, that's exactly what's going on in the Caucasus - a return to Cold War style power plays, and sod everyone who gets in his way. He's testing boundaries, knowing full well that Russian support is going to be needed to deal with Iran, the coming reliance on Russian energy and finance in Europe and the fact that Russia has huge reserves of oil. Not to mention the fact that Western governments would seek a diplomatic settlement rather than risk an armed conflict - and the ultimate destruction of Humanity on this planet (anybody actually think nuclear disarmament actually happened?) Just look at the other things he's been up to: Executing Russian "dissidents" on foreign soil. Executing out-spoken journalists on home soil. Chechnya... to name but three and could think of on the spot. If he was interested in protecting South Ossetia he would have gone to the UN and sought international support and condemnation of Georgia. But he isn't, so didn't. In many ways he's far more dangerous than Khrushchev ever was, because he holds more cards in his hand and not just the nuclear deterrent. He's also quite clearly insane.
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