Georgia has won the PR war
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There are rich now. They will control all the pipe lines to Europe, and they are pissed about Kosovo and have long memories. I think Putin cares about PR as much as Kruchev did.
MrPlankton
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Nikolay Denisov wrote:
Nikolay
If Russia had gone in to truly protect the South Ossetians, the world might have thought them heros. Rolling in with over-whelming force, running tanks over police cars (days after the invasion), sinking vessels (days after the invasion), taking soldiers prisoner (days after the invasion), setting up checkpoints in someone else's fucking country for God's sake (days after the invasion) just makes Russians look like bullys, throw backs to a by gone era.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Nikolay Denisov wrote:
Nikolay
If Russia had gone in to truly protect the South Ossetians, the world might have thought them heros. Rolling in with over-whelming force, running tanks over police cars (days after the invasion), sinking vessels (days after the invasion), taking soldiers prisoner (days after the invasion), setting up checkpoints in someone else's fucking country for God's sake (days after the invasion) just makes Russians look like bullys, throw backs to a by gone era.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
quickest damned "1" vote I've ever seen. One minute. A record. Thanks!
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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quickest damned "1" vote I've ever seen. One minute. A record. Thanks!
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Nikolay Denisov wrote:
Nikolay
If Russia had gone in to truly protect the South Ossetians, the world might have thought them heros. Rolling in with over-whelming force, running tanks over police cars (days after the invasion), sinking vessels (days after the invasion), taking soldiers prisoner (days after the invasion), setting up checkpoints in someone else's fucking country for God's sake (days after the invasion) just makes Russians look like bullys, throw backs to a by gone era.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Rolling in with over-whelming force
...bombing other civilian objects such as trains, bridges, TV stations, refugee columns, embassies, using cluster bombs to attack civilian parts of cities... Uh wait, wrong thread! That was NATO!
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
Rolling in with over-whelming force
...bombing other civilian objects such as trains, bridges, TV stations, refugee columns, embassies, using cluster bombs to attack civilian parts of cities... Uh wait, wrong thread! That was NATO!
Mladen Jankovic wrote:
bombing other civilian objects such as trains, bridges, TV stations, refugee columns, embassies, using cluster bombs to attack civilian parts of cities...
So you think that what NATO did in response to the wholesale genocide going on in your country justifies what Russia did. Amazing.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Well Russia will always struggle against two things, from the PR front; a) people always assume they are the aggressor, even if they aren't , b) they have a love of being unpopular on the world stage. I have a russian colleague here and the things he chooses to say, in polite conversation, would be actionable in my home country for incitement to racism. But he is a good guy under the normal run of things. If the russian side in this conflict is truly righteous, they have yet to prove it. I'm not saying the georgians were right, what I'm saying is the russians don't really care what the rest of the world thinks. They care about how scared the rest of the ex-russian states are. they're not winning the PR war because it's not the war they're focussing on. Nobody ever said the russians were stupid. They're just ruthless.
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Nikolay Denisov wrote:
Nikolay
If Russia had gone in to truly protect the South Ossetians, the world might have thought them heros. Rolling in with over-whelming force, running tanks over police cars (days after the invasion), sinking vessels (days after the invasion), taking soldiers prisoner (days after the invasion), setting up checkpoints in someone else's fucking country for God's sake (days after the invasion) just makes Russians look like bullys, throw backs to a by gone era.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
On what date did the era of military bullying end? There was me thinking it was a continuum - a quiet threat here, a proxy war there, an invasion if you think you can get away with it - until the human species ends. The Russians and Georgians have ensured that mutual resentment will continue to smoulder. This event will be stockpiled with centuries of past grievances and used to justify acts of inhumanity for centuries to come.
Bob Emmett
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Mladen Jankovic wrote:
bombing other civilian objects such as trains, bridges, TV stations, refugee columns, embassies, using cluster bombs to attack civilian parts of cities...
So you think that what NATO did in response to the wholesale genocide going on in your country justifies what Russia did. Amazing.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
I don't think he's looking for justification, but was merely saying "don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house".
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
modified on Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:54 AM
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Nikolai has, I believe, given up responding - except with his 1 vote. He hasn't figured out yet that few of them stick.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
My dear American friend, when it's nearly 3:00 am (local time) most people here in St. Petersburg are normally asleep, instead of refreshing the soapbox page opened in web-browser every minute inpatiently waiting for Mike's reply just in order to give him "1" vote.
Regards, Nikolay
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Fox News: 12 Year Old Girl Tells the Truth about Georgia[^] Best regards, Paul.
Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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I don't think he's looking for justification, but was merely saying "don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house".
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
modified on Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:54 AM
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
"don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house".
Why not? We all live in the same glass house. Maybe its time to knock that fucker down.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
"don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house".
Why not? We all live in the same glass house. Maybe its time to knock that fucker down.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Well, I can't answer for the OP, but common sense says not do to that kind of thing.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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My dear American friend, when it's nearly 3:00 am (local time) most people here in St. Petersburg are normally asleep, instead of refreshing the soapbox page opened in web-browser every minute inpatiently waiting for Mike's reply just in order to give him "1" vote.
Regards, Nikolay
Nikolay Denisov wrote:
instead of refreshing the soapbox page opened in web-browser every minute inpatiently waiting for Mike's reply
Over here in the USA, we get an email notifying us when one of our posts has been answered - are you telling us that doesn't happen in St. Peterburg and the only way you can find out if anyone responds is to refresh the page? Maybe you should move to Moscow. . .
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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I don't think he's looking for justification, but was merely saying "don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house".
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
modified on Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:54 AM
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
but was merely saying "don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house
Well, then certainly the US should not concern itself with Tibet. Germany has no right to speak out about Darfur. Russia cannot complain about Iraq and Serbia should should stop complaining about what happens to ethnic Serbs. And so on, I'm sure you and I could add to the list all day. Indeed, by those lights, there is no country in the world that should speak out -- or act against -- against evil - with the possible exception of Monaco.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Fox News: 12 Year Old Girl Tells the Truth about Georgia[^] Best regards, Paul.
Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
Paul Selormey wrote:
Fox News: 12 Year Old Girl Tells the Truth about Georgia[^]
I am amazed at the number of supposedly adult people in this forum who have felt that what Georgia did justifies what Russia did.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Paul Selormey wrote:
Fox News: 12 Year Old Girl Tells the Truth about Georgia[^]
I am amazed at the number of supposedly adult people in this forum who have felt that what Georgia did justifies what Russia did.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
I am amazed that you are amazed.
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I am amazed that you are amazed.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. Me blog, You read
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Nikolay Denisov wrote:
instead of refreshing the soapbox page opened in web-browser every minute inpatiently waiting for Mike's reply
Over here in the USA, we get an email notifying us when one of our posts has been answered - are you telling us that doesn't happen in St. Peterburg and the only way you can find out if anyone responds is to refresh the page? Maybe you should move to Moscow. . .
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Yeah, I remember that you have some problems with logic, so I am ready to help you understand why it's very unlikely for someone to vote within a minute after the reply was posted when you fully rely on email notifications. Even if we assume that it does not take long for the codeproject server to send a notification and for the notification itself to arrive, we also have to take into account, that typical email client checks for new mail as often as once in a few minutes, not every second. And yes, I have just asked my wife, which is originally from Moscow, and she has confirmed me that people there are normally also asleep when it's 3:00 am outside, even if there is an email notification from the codeproject waiting them in inbox.
Regards, Nikolay
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Yeah, I remember that you have some problems with logic, so I am ready to help you understand why it's very unlikely for someone to vote within a minute after the reply was posted when you fully rely on email notifications. Even if we assume that it does not take long for the codeproject server to send a notification and for the notification itself to arrive, we also have to take into account, that typical email client checks for new mail as often as once in a few minutes, not every second. And yes, I have just asked my wife, which is originally from Moscow, and she has confirmed me that people there are normally also asleep when it's 3:00 am outside, even if there is an email notification from the codeproject waiting them in inbox.
Regards, Nikolay