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  • O oilFactotum

    Diego Moita wrote:

    the Republicans seem to care about McCain is "he was a prisoner of war" and "a war hero"

    McCain sure seem to think that. Q: Why don't you know how many homes you own? A: I was a prisoner of war... Q: You like ABBA? A: I was a prisoner of war... He and his surrogates constantly bring it up and often use it to deflect any criticism, no matter how unrelated to his service.

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    Oakman
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    oilFactotum wrote:

    McCain sure seem to think that.

    You aren't exagerating, you're lying.

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    • G Gary Kirkham

      Be that as it may, she has held an excutive position for two years, he has been in the U.S. Senate for 3 years.

      jgasm wrote:

      Should I compare Obama's VP to McCain's VP

      That's really the whole point isn't it? When it comes to experience, the Democrat's trump card is their VP candidate.

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      Gary Kirkham wrote:

      Be that as it may, she has held an excutive position for two years, he has been in the U.S. Senate for 3 years.

      And you really think that qualifies either of them??? They're both babes in the woods.

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        Oakman wrote:

        It suggests to me that he's not fully in touch with reality.

        and someone in the GOP is?!? ;P

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        jgasm wrote:

        and someone in the GOP is?!?

        My theory is that most Republicans with any brains - and there are plenty of them - have written off this election. (There's nothing that says that Romney wasn't offered the VP job before Palin, you know.) They're satisfied to wait until 2012 when they can be anti-Washington and will have four years of tax-and-spend to run against.

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        • O Oakman

          oilFactotum wrote:

          McCain sure seem to think that.

          You aren't exagerating, you're lying.

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          oilFactotum
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          Neither. He brings it up constantly. You are simply being dishonest with yourself.

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          • O Oakman

            oilFactotum wrote:

            Clearly you I don't know much about McCain.

            Fixed your typo :laugh:

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            oilFactotum
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            I said exactly what I meant.

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            • O oilFactotum

              I said exactly what I meant.

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              oilFactotum wrote:

              I said exactly what I meant.

              And I changed it to match the real world. :-D

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              • O Oakman

                oilFactotum wrote:

                I said exactly what I meant.

                And I changed it to match the real world. :-D

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                oilFactotum
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                Clearly not. Just because you wish it were so does not make it so.

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                • O oilFactotum

                  Neither. He brings it up constantly. You are simply being dishonest with yourself.

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                  oilFactotum wrote:

                  He brings it up constantly

                  Since that's not the case, I must ask - do you think that being a war hero disqualifies him from the Presidency?

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                  • O Oakman

                    oilFactotum wrote:

                    He brings it up constantly

                    Since that's not the case, I must ask - do you think that being a war hero disqualifies him from the Presidency?

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                    It is the case, but I'll answer your question anyway(as ridiculous as it is) - no.

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                    • G Gary Kirkham

                      I am not sure it was about appeasing the base. I wouldn't have chosen her, but neither does it make me mad enough to stay home. I think he was trying to "play safe" by picking someone who will piss off the least.

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                      Gary Kirkham wrote:

                      neither does it make me mad enough to stay home.

                      I don't plan to stay home, but my vote will go elsewhere than to McCain. Bob Barr might do just fine, provided he has something rational to say on energy and health care.

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                      • O Oakman

                        Rob Graham wrote:

                        I frankly don't give a damn what the next president's position on abortion is.

                        Hear hear! Some needs to tell the Republican party that the twentieth century wants its issues back. Anyone who votes for or against a candidate based on their position on abortion probably wears polyester leisure suits.

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                        Evidently McCain is hiding some Polyester suits somewhere, since his VP choice brings nothing else to the table except decent looks and youth - neither of which are high on my list of presidential qualities).

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                        • K Kant

                          Wow!!...This going to be exciting race. Black and White - Obama and Biden Man and Woman - McCain and Palin Could be smart move by McCain by choosing lady as Vice President candidate. (move to sway Hillary supporters)

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                          Pawel Krakowiak
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                          I watched an episode of Dr. House some time ago when they were curing a black president candidate and House told him that he wouldn't win because the White House does not have its name for no reason. :laugh:

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                            Evidently McCain is hiding some Polyester suits somewhere, since his VP choice brings nothing else to the table except decent looks and youth - neither of which are high on my list of presidential qualities).

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                            Rob Graham wrote:

                            Evidently McCain is hiding some Polyester suits somewhere

                            That's the problem with officers who don't retire until they've got 30 in. They have no idea how to wear civilian clothes. ;)

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                              Kant wrote:

                              Could be smart move by McCain by choosing lady as Vice President candidate. (move to sway Hillary supporters)

                              Nope. Stupidest thing he could have done, IMO. Palin is a committed right-to-life candidate  (her main qualification to get picked). She represents a move to the right for McCain, at a time when he should have moved to the center. That choice will cost him the election, because the right wing base still won't show up at the polls for him, but Palin will put off independents , Hillary Democrats, and centrists. It will certainty cost McCain my vote, since it says the only issue he and the Republicans care about is abortion, and that at the expense of everything else. Obama is right, McCain only offers 4 more years of the Bush mindset. At this point I'm done with the GOP. Guess all that remains is the Libertarians...

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                              Stan Shannon
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                              Rob Graham wrote:

                              It will certainty cost McCain my vote

                              He may well have gained my vote though. I don't know Palin well but if she is a true conservative, I'll vote for her. BTW, libertarians suck.

                              Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                                Rob Graham wrote:

                                It will certainty cost McCain my vote

                                He may well have gained my vote though. I don't know Palin well but if she is a true conservative, I'll vote for her. BTW, libertarians suck.

                                Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                                Stan Shannon wrote:

                                BTW, libertarians suck.

                                Especially Thomas Jefferson ;)

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                                • P Pawel Krakowiak

                                  I watched an episode of Dr. House some time ago when they were curing a black president candidate and House told him that he wouldn't win because the White House does not have its name for no reason. :laugh:

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                                  Well that's how the liberals feel. But the conservatives have already given us two black presidents: The Palmer Brothers.

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                                  • O oilFactotum

                                    Clearly not. Just because you wish it were so does not make it so.

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                                    oilFactotum wrote:

                                    Just because you wish it were so does not make it so.

                                    Obviously. Otherwise you would have developed a sense of humor by now.

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                                    • O Oakman

                                      Stan Shannon wrote:

                                      BTW, libertarians suck.

                                      Especially Thomas Jefferson ;)

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                                      ol' Tom never even heard of libertarians. ANd he certainly did not design a libertarian form of government. And, btw, libertairans are NOT constitutionalists.

                                      Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                                      • G Gary Kirkham

                                        I am not sure it was about appeasing the base. I wouldn't have chosen her, but neither does it make me mad enough to stay home. I think he was trying to "play safe" by picking someone who will piss off the least.

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                                        Rob Graham
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                                        Gary Kirkham wrote:

                                        I am not sure it was about appeasing the base.

                                        Limbaugh and Beck have both been touting her. It was all about pleasing the base. Hope they're pleased as punch, because it will practically guarantee Obama the election.

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                                        • R Rob Graham

                                          Gary Kirkham wrote:

                                          neither does it make me mad enough to stay home.

                                          I don't plan to stay home, but my vote will go elsewhere than to McCain. Bob Barr might do just fine, provided he has something rational to say on energy and health care.

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                                          Gary Kirkham
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                                          Rob Graham wrote:

                                          Bob Barr might do just fine

                                          I'm certainly not that mad. :laugh: I don't have anything against Barr; for what it's worth I am not all that fond of McCain. I don't think that Obama will make a good President, so much so, that I plan to set aside the things I don't like about McCain or his VP choice. I am more of a pragmatist when it comes to politics.

                                          Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read

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