Is this true, Aadnan?
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Read somewhere the other day that school text-books in Pakistan contain such gems as "Their (Muslim saints) teachings dispelled many superstitions of the Hindus and reformed their bad practices. Thereby Hindu religion of the olden times came to an end." :wtf: and "In the 1971 India-Pakistan war, the Pakistan armed forces created new records of bravery and the Indian forces were defeated everywhere." Is this true? Just asking!
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Read somewhere the other day that school text-books in Pakistan contain such gems as "Their (Muslim saints) teachings dispelled many superstitions of the Hindus and reformed their bad practices. Thereby Hindu religion of the olden times came to an end." :wtf: and "In the 1971 India-Pakistan war, the Pakistan armed forces created new records of bravery and the Indian forces were defeated everywhere." Is this true? Just asking!
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I don't about the Pakistani educational system, but as a Muslim I can tell you that no personae is glorified as a saint in Islam and if anyone makes such a claim or glorifies someone, according to Islamic law they are to be rebuked and made to see the error of their ways.
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I don't about the Pakistani educational system, but as a Muslim I can tell you that no personae is glorified as a saint in Islam and if anyone makes such a claim or glorifies someone, according to Islamic law they are to be rebuked and made to see the error of their ways.
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Mustafa, the part about the religions itself does not bother me. what bothers me is that these "historical facts" are obviously untrue and are easily verifiable as being crap!
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Oh, I know. Unfortunately you see that sort of crap anywhere and everywhere. I wan't defending the Pakistani school system nor was I criticizing it, I simply know nothing about it. The comment I made was purely informative in nature. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Mustafa, the part about the religions itself does not bother me. what bothers me is that these "historical facts" are obviously untrue and are easily verifiable as being crap!
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Did you verify the "fact" about the Pakistani textbooks, or just accept it as obvious truth?
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I don't about the Pakistani educational system, but as a Muslim I can tell you that no personae is glorified as a saint in Islam and if anyone makes such a claim or glorifies someone, according to Islamic law they are to be rebuked and made to see the error of their ways.
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Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" Ali Ibn Abi Talib
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Keep it up. Fool.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
but as a Muslim I can tell you that no personae is glorified as a saint in Islam and if anyone makes such a claim or glorifies someone, according to Islamic law they are to be rebuked and made to see the error of their ways.
It is my understanding that the Sufis disagree with you and have a number of Saints. Am I wrong, or do you not consider them to be followers of Islam?
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Read somewhere the other day that school text-books in Pakistan contain such gems as "Their (Muslim saints) teachings dispelled many superstitions of the Hindus and reformed their bad practices. Thereby Hindu religion of the olden times came to an end." :wtf: and "In the 1971 India-Pakistan war, the Pakistan armed forces created new records of bravery and the Indian forces were defeated everywhere." Is this true? Just asking!
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blackfin wrote:
Their (Muslim saints) teachings dispelled many superstitions of the Hindus and reformed their bad practices. Thereby Hindu religion of the olden times came to an end.
Did someone ever tell you that giving things out of context is pretty lame? I don't know the source so I can't comment on it. Do remember that NOT every book is a "Holy" book that one just refer it out of context.
blackfin wrote:
Is this true?
I don't think so. Maybe the guy wanted to write 1965
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
but as a Muslim I can tell you that no personae is glorified as a saint in Islam and if anyone makes such a claim or glorifies someone, according to Islamic law they are to be rebuked and made to see the error of their ways.
It is my understanding that the Sufis disagree with you and have a number of Saints. Am I wrong, or do you not consider them to be followers of Islam?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Hmm, this is relatively liquid ground. Sufis are generally broken down into two large sects. One being simply overly religious, extremely pious and so on. Mainstream Islam consider them Muslims (regardless of their sect except for Baha'is, they are another story) The other are considered heretics, coming up with some of the strangest and illogical interpretations of the texts ( basically the Qur'an). These are the ones that make claims such as if you die a martyr you get n virgin wives. This is not mentioned anywhere in the Qur'an or the Hadith, its completely made up and it got swallowed by so many its disheartening.
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Read somewhere the other day that school text-books in Pakistan contain such gems as "Their (Muslim saints) teachings dispelled many superstitions of the Hindus and reformed their bad practices. Thereby Hindu religion of the olden times came to an end." :wtf: and "In the 1971 India-Pakistan war, the Pakistan armed forces created new records of bravery and the Indian forces were defeated everywhere." Is this true? Just asking!
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blackfin wrote:
"In the 1971 India-Pakistan war, the Pakistan armed forces created new records of bravery and the Indian forces were defeated everywhere."
blackfin wrote:
Is this true?
C isn't that hard: void (*(*f[])())() defines f as an array of unspecified size, of pointers to functions that return pointers to functions that return void "Always program as if the person who will be maintaining your program is a violent psychopath that knows where you live." - Martin Golding
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blackfin wrote:
"In the 1971 India-Pakistan war, the Pakistan armed forces created new records of bravery and the Indian forces were defeated everywhere."
blackfin wrote:
Is this true?
C isn't that hard: void (*(*f[])())() defines f as an array of unspecified size, of pointers to functions that return pointers to functions that return void "Always program as if the person who will be maintaining your program is a violent psychopath that knows where you live." - Martin Golding
He wasn't trying to say that this was fact, he was asking if that's what's being taught in the Pakistani books
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Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" Ali Ibn Abi Talib
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Keep it up. Fool.
I now think of you as Mr. T! - Trollslayer
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Did you verify the "fact" about the Pakistani textbooks, or just accept it as obvious truth?
Well, he could argue that he's trying to verify it ,although I doubt Adnan will tell us it says that, even if it did. He'll go off on a tangent. Your point is a good one, and the fact that apparently Muslims don't have saints, does cast dispersions on the original claim, which should come with some sort of verification IMO ( i.e. a link to where it came from )
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Hmm, this is relatively liquid ground. Sufis are generally broken down into two large sects. One being simply overly religious, extremely pious and so on. Mainstream Islam consider them Muslims (regardless of their sect except for Baha'is, they are another story) The other are considered heretics, coming up with some of the strangest and illogical interpretations of the texts ( basically the Qur'an). These are the ones that make claims such as if you die a martyr you get n virgin wives. This is not mentioned anywhere in the Qur'an or the Hadith, its completely made up and it got swallowed by so many its disheartening.
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Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" Ali Ibn Abi Talib
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Keep it up. Fool.
I now think of you as Mr. T! - Trollslayer
Interesting. So Sufis are the Muslim Catholics ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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blackfin wrote:
Their (Muslim saints) teachings dispelled many superstitions of the Hindus and reformed their bad practices. Thereby Hindu religion of the olden times came to an end.
Did someone ever tell you that giving things out of context is pretty lame? I don't know the source so I can't comment on it. Do remember that NOT every book is a "Holy" book that one just refer it out of context.
blackfin wrote:
Is this true?
I don't think so. Maybe the guy wanted to write 1965
I agree - this claim without any support doesn't stand very well. However, I have to say that your general behaviour on these forums is the one that that would make me suspect that such a claim may in fact be true.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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Interesting. So Sufis are the Muslim Catholics ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
I suppose that analogy can be drawn for the set of Sufis not considered heretics. The others [Sufis] are considered insane even by the Wahabi standards who are considered insane by everyone else. Then you have the Takfiris of which Osama bin Laden is one of their most prominent members/advocates. I don't have to tell you what the whole planet thinks of them, much less a Muslim that's not brainwashed.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Keep it up. Fool.
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I agree - this claim without any support doesn't stand very well. However, I have to say that your general behaviour on these forums is the one that that would make me suspect that such a claim may in fact be true.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
OK.
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Did you verify the "fact" about the Pakistani textbooks, or just accept it as obvious truth?
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He wasn't trying to say that this was fact, he was asking if that's what's being taught in the Pakistani books
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Keep it up. Fool.
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Should not be surprising. Atleast I didn't read any such thing. All I read Pakistan lost its part in 71 war. May be they have changed it now. Even if they have then it should not surprising. I am sure Indian kids would not have read something like that Pakistan had given a tough time to Indians when they tried to invade Pakistan in 1965 war.
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Interesting. So Sufis are the Muslim Catholics ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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Did you verify the "fact" about the Pakistani textbooks, or just accept it as obvious truth?
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Should not be surprising. Atleast I didn't read any such thing. All I read Pakistan lost its part in 71 war. May be they have changed it now. Even if they have then it should not surprising. I am sure Indian kids would not have read something like that Pakistan had given a tough time to Indians when they tried to invade Pakistan in 1965 war.