Gaza stife, the UN and Hamas

Mike Gaskey

Osama Hamdan, a Hamas envoy to Lebanon, told the al-Arabiya satellite channel that the group "is not interested in it because it does not meet the demands of the movement."[^] So, Hamas isn't interested in the UN resolution because it doesn't meet the demands of the movement, but since their charter calls for death of the Jews - just how can they be expected to agree to anything that doesn't consist of Israel's sucicide? Once again, the UN is generating wind and Hamas cares squat about anything other than death to Jews.

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Shepman

Mike Gaskey wrote:

Once again, the UN is generating wind and Hamas cares squat about anything other than death to Jews.

What I found fascinating was that every cable news channel led with the headline, "Israel ignores UN resolution." Then, as an afterthought, they mentioned that Hamas was still firing rockets into Israel. And if this is how American news reports it, can you imagine the spin it was getting in the land of Sarkozy[^] and surrender?

Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

I think they're reporting that because before Hamas made its response, Tzip Livni implied that Israel will not be following any UN resolution. To be quite frank, I'm extremely surprised that the US abstained from the vote.

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Lost User

Bah, all irrelevant. For once Israel seems content to do what it thinks it has to do without fear of pressure from the international community. Let the western media say what it wants, focus how the big IDF is hurting the Palestinian people, and on a footnote how Hamas continues to launch rockets consistently. What I truly want to know is why people are so upset about it, it is a legitimate war. I don't care if it appears to be one sided. Hamas is the officially supported and elected government of the Palestinian people which resize in their designated territory. Everyone wept for like 3 days when a soldier (Galit something or other, I forget his name) was kidnapped over 900 days ago. He still hasn't been returned. But of coarse western news media isn't concerned with that, it's to old to report. So I say let Israel do what it wants, its a war. Russia had Chechnya, the US has Iraq etc etc. Israel has Gaza. When Russia gets out of Georgia, Chechnya and the US gets out of Iraq, everyone can then pressure Israel to get out of Gaza. Until then, let the Media focus on other wars and leave Israel alone. Last I checked, Israel was the only one consistently getting bombarded with rockets on a daily basis.

Christian Graus

Well, I watched 'Don't mess with the Zohan' last night, and I'd say it provided at least as sensible and unbiased a view of the whole situation as you're likely to get from the news, or the UN.

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Lost User

Both sides are not yet ready to go down this road called "Peace", and nobody is forcing them to do anything other than follow their own individual agendas. As such, there is yet more fighting awaiting.

Mike Gaskey

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

Both sides are not yet ready to go down this road called "Peace",

I believe the Hamas' charter, if I have it right, to be the (current) primary problem. Do you think Israel would be properly representing their citizens by again attempting come to some sort of agreement with an organization dedicated to their destruction?

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

nobody is forcing them to do anything other than follow their own individual agendas. As such, there is yet more fighting awaiting.

nope. doesn't work in a school yard, doesn't between nations.

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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

I don't know. That movie insulted many Palestinians and Israelis alike by making fun of their conflict. I personally found it pathetic simply because Sandler's comedy sucks and is fit material for 14yo.

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Shepman

Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

I think they're reporting that because before Hamas made its response, Tzip Livni implied that Israel will not be following any UN resolution.

Dead wrong. Every news report I heard followed it's lead line with the statement that Israel hit 50 targets in Gaza, and then a couple of sentences later mentioned that Hamas was still firing rockets into Israel. In other words, the reports I saw were after both sides had proved that they were ignoring the UN cease-fire resolution. Both sides.

Christian Graus

Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

That movie insulted many Palestinians and Israelis alike by making fun of their conflict.

So, it was more balanced than the news is likely to be ? That was kind of my point.

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Shepman

"Our hatred for the Jews dates from God's condemnation of them for their persecution and rejection of Isa [Jesus], and their subsequent rejection later of His chosen Prophet. ...Verily the word of God teaches us, and we implicitly believe this, that for a Muslim to kill a Jew, or for him to be killed by a Jew ensures him an immediate entry into Heaven and into the august presence of God Almighty." - Abdel-Aziz ibn Sa'ud, king of Saudi Arabia You will not find a more unlikely candidate for democratic rule than Arab Muslims. There is a reason why, among the 22 nations of the Arab world, not one even approaches popular rule – why they consistently produce leaders like Nasser, Assad (father and son), Khomeini, Khadafy, Arafat, Saddam and bin Laden. Nor is there a religion less likely to co-exist with other faiths than Islam. From Nigeria, to Egypt, to the Balkans, to Pakistan, the Kashmir and the Philippines, Islam is at war with Christians, Hindus and Jews. The idea that a Palestinian state will be the sole exception to what has been called "Islam’s bloody borders" goes beyond wishful thinking into the realm of self-delusion. The only peace a Palestinian state would bring to Israel is the peace of the grave.

Lost User

You just got yourself a 5.

Lost User

Israel will do what it needs to do to ensure its right to exist, and rightly so. It wasn't that many years ago when Israel was fighting against the combined forces of Arab nations who each refused to accept Israel's right to exist. Yet peace was forged between Israel and some of its Arab neighbours. One day, perhaps Israel and the remaining Arab nations can look for and find peace. It is not going to be easy quest. But until such happens, these petty wars (Gaza/Lebanon/etc) will continue with all sides suffering losses. The sooner that the participants recognise that a genuine jaw-jaw is better than war-war the better. Maybe new Camp David summits might prove fruitful.

BoneSoft

Well said, have another 5. However, realizing that does present a problem. How do we best deal with them? Short of killing them all, converting them all, or building a tall fence around the entire middle east, none of which is desirable, reasonable or feasible.

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MrPlankton

Shepman wrote:

persecution and rejection of Isa [Jesus]

Some might misinterpret that as anti-Semitic (Jews, in this context). Don't forget Genesis 12:3[^] and in context[^]. ...and as much as I hate to admit it, verse may also apply to the descendents of Ishmael. The brother's be a-feuding again.

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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

I know they're both ignoring the resolution that came out. What I meant was that even before the resolution, Livni said what she said. I know for a fact that both sides are still going at it and the civilian population be damned. Hateful bastards.

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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

Shepman wrote:

that for a Muslim to kill a Jew, or for him to be killed by a Jew ensures him an immediate entry into Heaven and into the august presence of God Almighty

Regardless of what Ibn Saud said, that is not true if you look to the teachings of Islam.

Shepman wrote:

There is a reason why, among the 22 nations of the Arab world, not one even approaches popular rule

Funny, I could name several that approach it. Not there yet, but they will get there eventually. I'd love to know your reason though.

Shepman wrote:

Nor is there a religion less likely to co-exist with other faiths than Islam

Check during the times of the Islamic Empires, Jews and Christians lived in peace and prosperity, sadly, proper Islamic rule ended with the Rashidun Caliphate. There were several attempts at emulating it and some did succeed, but both the Omayyad and Abbassid Caliphates suffered from not being truly "Islamic" in their laws. You could easily draw quite an extensive list of very prominent Christians and Jews during that whole reign. The Othman Caliphate (Ottoman Empire) is considered to be part Caliphate and the latter not, I don't know the specifics but if you want a quick search can provide the answers.

Shepman wrote:

Islam is at war with Christians, Hindus and Jews

A laughable claim to say the least. Sadly, some who claim to practice Islam properly tar the rest. Islam in itself is innocent of their actions, the same way fundies are not representatives of Christianity. Don't mix what is with what should be, the same way you don't mix classes and objects.

Shepman wrote:

The only peace a Palestinian state would bring to Israel is the peace of the grave.

So very untrue. Before you fly off on a tangent, ask around, you'll know I'm certainly not pro-Hamas or any other militant group.

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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

I suppose it depends on your view of balanced. It certainly sheds a different color of light on it and throws the whole thing off on to a different tangent.

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Christian Graus

My comment was meant as a joke. I am sick of trying to make serious comment about Israel, most people here seem to have a biased view, one way or the other, and that's exactly why the place is such a mess.

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Shepman

Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

that is not true if you look to the teachings of Islam.

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51) "Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-) "...now that a Book confirming their own has come to them from God, they deny it...they reply: 'We believe in what was revealed to us.' But they deny what has since been revealed, although it is truth...Say: 'Whoever is an enemy of Gabriel' (who has by God's grace revealed to you [Muhammad] the Koran as a guide...confirming previous scriptures)..will surely find that God is the enemy of the unbelievers.'...And now that an apostle has come to them from God confirming their own Scriptures, some of those to whom the Scriptures were given cast off the Book of God behind their backs...The unbelievers among the People of the Book, and the pagans, resent that any blessings should have been sent down to you from your Lord. " (Surah 2:88-, 98-, 103-) “Allah described them [Jews] in His Book, characterized by conceit, pride, arrogance, rampage, disloyalty and treachery… deceit and cunning…” - Dr. Mahmoud Mustafa Najem “Every time Muhammad came back from his raids, he would find treachery and betrayal by the Jews of Medina, since treachery and betrayal are two character traits of the Jews’ nature... that their descendants inherited from their ancestors until today." - Sheikh Ibrahim Mudayris "One must beware of the Jews, for they are treacherous and disloyal." - Islamic Education for Ninth Grade, page 79 “These Jews who angered Allah and whom He cursed through the Prophets...” - Dr. Muhammad Ibrahim Maadi “We are waging this cruel war with the brothers of the monkeys and pigs, the Jews and the sons of Zion.” - Dr. Muhammad Ibrahim Maadi Any questions?

Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

Funny, I could name several that approach it.

Turkey is supposed to be the secular Islamic democracy. But the Muslims are doing their level best to destroy Democracy and institute Shari'a in its place.

Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

Islam in itself is innocent of their actions, the same way fundies are not representatives of Christianity.

If the Pope, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Primates of the Eastern Orthodox