Gaza stife, the UN and Hamas

[Oakman]

Sahir Shah wrote:

But, a lot of people think there are no Jews in Iran and and if they see one they will kill him straight away.

Back a hundred years, traveling circuses used to go around with an exhibit that purported to demonstrate the biblical verse about the lion lying down with the lamb. And, indeed, there was a lamb in the same cahe as a lion. What the circus didn't talk about much was how often they had to replace the lamb. ;)

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[Mustafa Ismail Mustafa]

Sorry for the late reply, but I had university yesterday and then when I got home there was no internet till this morning.

Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

non-practising Muslim, agnostic, atheist?

Sometime one, sometimes the other. It depends. My belief comes and goes but its never reached unthinking fanatical zealot and I'd like to believe that it will never reach that level because I pride myself on my ability to look at things from another sometimes abstract angle. Most of the time, I refer to myself as an Agnostic.

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[Mustafa Ismail Mustafa]

Sorry for the late reply, but I had university yesterday and then when I got home there was no internet till this morning. I'm not saying it didn't have any points in its favor, I just mentioned what many Palestinians and Israeli friends said. It tried to convey the message that whats going on over there can be solved by a little insight into the the other side's common man which is certainly a step in the right direction. In theory, it was quite good, the implementation (through Sandler's "comedy"), not so much. Adam Sandler catching a a fish between his butt cheecks, oh wow. The only funny part was when he was the limo driver.

Trollslayer wrote:

it showed how much the ordinairy people have in common. As long as we focus of sources of disagreement we will forget that we are all people with families, loves and fears. Too often we are brought up to look at reasons to hate people we don't know.

All what you said is completely true. I'm not disagreeing with you Elaine.

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[Mustafa Ismail Mustafa]

Sorry for the late reply, but I had university yesterday and then when I got home there was no internet till this morning. And all of what you said contradicts with what I said... where? Everything you said is perfectly true. It happened. It needs an idiot to say it hasn't. You realize that every time we have our little verbal dance, we come back to the same point? I'm not saying that what Hamas or other organizations are doing is right or justified in any way, I'm simpply (if it could be called that) arguing at the way Israel is handling this issue, particularly the amount of force its using which is causing an insane amount of collateral damage.

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[Mustafa Ismail Mustafa]

Sorry for the late reply, but I had university yesterday and then when I got home there was no internet till this morning.

Shepman wrote:

am tired of invitations to slaughter being excused as "out of context." If Muhammad didn't really mean it, then he shouldn't have said it.

Suit yourself, but you know that context does matter.

Shepman wrote:

These men are highly respected religious teachers. It would seem likely that their word carries far more weight than yours.

I didn't say you should dismiss them out of hand. They are considered leaning a little towards lack of tolerance, hence I personally don't approve of them. Also, what Ulema (plural of Alem) say is their interpretation. You have so many different Islamic schools of thought that are based on their own interpretations, some being lenient (if that's the right term to use) others being strict and I don't mean with adherence to Islamic scriptures.

Shepman wrote:

In your explanation, you forgot to mention that dhimmi were second class citizens with fewer legal rights than Muslims.

See, according to Shari'a law it only states that they are protected and accorded their rights. Also, this is a quote directly from the webpage: While recognizing the inferior status of dhimmis under Islamic rule, Bernard Lewis states that in most respects their position "was very much easier than that of non-Christians or even of heretical Christians in medieval Europe."[19] For example, dhimmis rarely faced martyrdom or exile, or forced compulsion to change their religion, and with certain exceptions they were free in their choice of residence and profession. Yet there were constraints; the Muslims reserved the right to control the military and agriculture, leaving trade and business to the dhimmis. It doesn't read as something so inferior. I know first rate citizens in this world, Muslim and otherwise that don't have those rights.

Shepman wrote:

A difference that makes no difference is no difference.

Not true. If I were to make a programming anology its like saying that a badly written program decries that the language it was written in is bad. Its not the case. Islam was functioning perfectly well until the Caliphate started to become inherited through male progeny. You might like reading this when

[Mustafa Ismail Mustafa]

Stan Shannon wrote:

You do realize that you are going to lose, don't you?

Only if I give up Stan. I'm a blue nosed mule when I want to be.

Stan Shannon wrote:

ou need to change your name to Bill Jones and move back to Canada. That way you can fight a winning battle against all the vile and evil Christian fundamentalists.

Fundamentalism anywhere is vile and evil. Actually, I prefer Radicalism, because Fundamentalism does not necessitate a bad side, just the fundamentals of the thing. Radicalism describes and extremely unorthodox and perverted understanding of something.

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[Vikram A Punathambekar]

Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

Sorry for the late reply

Hey, that's nothing to apologize about :)

Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

Most of the time, I refer to myself as an Agnostic

Yay, Agnosticism! :cool:

Cheers, Vıkram.

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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

Yay, Agnosticism!

:laugh: That means you refer to yourself as an Agnostic :laugh:

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[Vikram A Punathambekar]

Yep, I think I'm fairly vocal about it on CP. :~ I was reminded about Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery.

Basil Exposition: A lot's happened since you've been frozen. The Cold War's over! Austin Powers: All right! Finally those capitalist pigs will pay for their crimes, eh? Eh comrades? Eh? Basil Exposition: Austin, we won. Austin Powers: Oh, smashing, groovy, yay capitalism!

Cheers, Vıkram.

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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

I think I'm fairly vocal about it on CP.

I guess I missed those posts :~

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