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  • O Oakman

    Ilíon wrote:

    I'd read this NYT piece a few days before Ray put up his post.

    You mean after staying awake all night trying to find something that you could claim supported your OP. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: This opinion piece first claims that Dickens was writing about a 400 calorie oatmeal gruel, but Dickens never said that. He then claims that some workhouses fed a more nuitritious oatmeal gruel and that Oliver would, in reality, be given that. Of course, nothing in Oliver Twist deals with the calorie content of the gruel. He goes on to suggest that Oliver might have had his gruel diet supplemented by meat and vegetables - but admits that such largesse from the orphanage would not have had to have happened, but is only a supposition on his part.

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    about everything.

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      Actually, my wife is a huge Jane Ausin fan. I've had to endure that shit for the last 25 years.

      Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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      Stan Shannon wrote:

      Actually, my wife is a huge Jane Ausin fan. I've had to endure that sh*t for the last 25 years.

      Somehow I don't think she's gotten even yet. :laugh:

      "Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke

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      • L Lost User

        The problem Jon is that both Ilion and Stan are taking the words of Dickens as a factual account of peoples lives of the time. But the truth is, they are works of fiction. Nothing more, nothing less, although they are great stories. But stories based upon what he saw and witnessed. Yet in terms of historical context, these works of Dickens are thought to indeed reflect some truth and reality. As far as Ilion and Stan are concerned, it is evident that they are placing things outside of historical context.

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        Richard A. Abbott wrote:

        The problem Jon is that both Ilion and Stan are taking the words of Dickens as a factual account of peoples lives of the time.

        You're such a liar. It's you little fools who are trying to pretend that Dickens' fiction was accurate.

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        • I Ilion

          Richard A. Abbott wrote:

          The problem Jon is that both Ilion and Stan are taking the words of Dickens as a factual account of peoples lives of the time.

          You're such a liar. It's you little fools who are trying to pretend that Dickens' fiction was accurate.

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          Ilíon wrote:

          You're such a liar

          Is that the best you could do, how disappointed I am. Surely you can come up with something more original that hasn't before been previously used. Go on, give it a try, and amaze me with you superiority.

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          • I Ilion

            about everything.

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            Oakman
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            Ilíon wrote:

            about everything.

            Poor little Troy. Is this what you have been reduced to? And you started off with your condemnation of Dickens so bravely and boldly. And now you have nothing left except the shallow and unsatisfying taunt of a six year old.

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              Oakman wrote:

              I thought that was you.

              I may have learned to design airplanes but I have enough sense not to jump out of them. ;P

              "Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke

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              I learnt to jump from them. In fact I was underpaid to jump from them. Then I left the army and joined the Not Jumping From Aeroplanes Community. :-D I have the good sense not to design them!

              ------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke

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                I learnt to jump from them. In fact I was underpaid to jump from them. Then I left the army and joined the Not Jumping From Aeroplanes Community. :-D I have the good sense not to design them!

                ------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke

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                Dalek Dave wrote:

                I learnt to jump from them.

                Yeah, but I bet they gave you a parachute. They didn't waste any silk on us guys in Hueys

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                • O Oakman

                  Dalek Dave wrote:

                  I learnt to jump from them.

                  Yeah, but I bet they gave you a parachute. They didn't waste any silk on us guys in Hueys

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                  Oakman wrote:

                  They didn't waste any silk on us guys in Hueys

                  Parachuting out of a falling helicopter probably isn't much safer than riding her down. :)

                  Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read

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                    Oakman wrote:

                    They didn't waste any silk on us guys in Hueys

                    Parachuting out of a falling helicopter probably isn't much safer than riding her down. :)

                    Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read

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                    Gary Kirkham wrote:

                    Parachuting out of a falling helicopter probably isn't much safer than riding her down

                    Well, I never did the former.

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                    • I Ilion

                      Oakman wrote:

                      Here's your first clue for the evening: it's "yours," not "your's." You and Ilion make grammatical and orthographic errors that should not be considered acceptable in a third grader.

                      Stan sometimes makes *minor* (*) grammatical and orthographic errors; Ilíon almost never does (**). (*) And far-too-common amongst the general population, which may go far in explaining how it is that Stans sometimes makes these mistakes, as we are all heavily influenced by what we see and read. (**) And most of the spelling errors Ilíon does post are mere typos he didn't catch; whereas to bitch about "orthographic errors," especially as DryRot has done, implies that the target does not know the correct spelling. edit: One might also note that even though Ilíon rarely makes orthographic errors, much less grammatical errors, he does not jump on others when they do. But then, Ilíon doesn't appear to have a *need* to hold himself as superior to others, does he?

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                      Ilíon wrote:

                      One might also note that even though Ilíon rarely makes orthographic errors, much less grammatical errors, he does not jump on others when they do.

                      You don't need to - you already have ample opportunity to demonstrate your knowledge of the subjunctive form.

                      Ilíon wrote:

                      But then, Ilíon doesn't appear to have a *need* to hold himself as superior to others, does he?

                      "I'm WAAAAY better at being humble than you are!"

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