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Economic Stimulus: Quit Smoking.

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  • R Rob Graham

    Fisticuffs wrote:

    Given that CVD is the biggest all-cause killer/disabler in most of the Western world, it doesn't sound implausible that funding smoking cessation hard would decrease health care spending in the immediate future.

    I think you have it backwards. Clearly smoking cessation will cause the former smokers to live longer and thus require health care services over a longer time. This will have the net effect of increasing the burden on health care services, while at the same time reducing the revenue to fund them that is obtained by the exorbitant tax on tobacco products that the former smokers no longer use. ;P

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    Rob Graham
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    Thought the above clearly tongue in cheek remark merited a 1-vote? Please log off and get a life. You are suffering from a chronic lack of any sense of humor.

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    • R Rob Graham

      Fisticuffs wrote:

      Given that CVD is the biggest all-cause killer/disabler in most of the Western world, it doesn't sound implausible that funding smoking cessation hard would decrease health care spending in the immediate future.

      I think you have it backwards. Clearly smoking cessation will cause the former smokers to live longer and thus require health care services over a longer time. This will have the net effect of increasing the burden on health care services, while at the same time reducing the revenue to fund them that is obtained by the exorbitant tax on tobacco products that the former smokers no longer use. ;P

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      Lost User
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      Absolutely - it's clear that for the sake of economic stimulus, smoking should be encouraged! :D

      - F

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      • V VonHagNDaz

        I found this a little funny being that it's Oboma's stimulus package and he is a smoker himself...

        [Insert Witty Sig Here]

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        Rob Graham
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        VonHagNDaz wrote:

        it's Oboma's stimulus package

        Actually, it's not. Pelosi and her team of mad spenders authored this piece of drek, and largely ignored Obama's request to avoid porking it up.

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        • R Rob Graham

          VonHagNDaz wrote:

          it's Oboma's stimulus package

          Actually, it's not. Pelosi and her team of mad spenders authored this piece of drek, and largely ignored Obama's request to avoid porking it up.

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          if((Obama preelection != Pelosi) && (Obama postelection == Pelosi)) { American people == Duped } else { //Country still in the tank, who cares... }

          [Insert Witty Sig Here]

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          • R Rob Graham

            Thought the above clearly tongue in cheek remark merited a 1-vote? Please log off and get a life. You are suffering from a chronic lack of any sense of humor.

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            Oakman
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            Even with two of us voting to balance, we only got you to 2.7, so it's a platinum. My guess it's our old friend, pseudonym67.

            Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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            • O Oakman

              Even with two of us voting to balance, we only got you to 2.7, so it's a platinum. My guess it's our old friend, pseudonym67.

              Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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              Rob Graham
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              Yeah, he seems to be just blindly voting by the posters name rather than the post content. Like I said, the man needs to get a life.

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              • R Rob Graham

                Yeah, he seems to be just blindly voting by the posters name rather than the post content. Like I said, the man needs to get a life.

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                Oakman
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                Rob Graham wrote:

                Like I said, the man needs to get a life.

                For some folks, that's easier said than done.

                Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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                • O originSH

                  Ban tobbacco, legalise cannabis. By my count thats atleast 4 problems solved :P (although I'll admit a few new ones are created) EDIT: Uhhh not sure who 1 voted you ... it wasn't me :/

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                  Brady Kelly
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                  Waaaaahhhn!

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                  • O Oakman

                    John Carson wrote:

                    You seem to have missed the basic claim of Keynesian analysis

                    I think what I may have missed, but apparently you think you saw, was any claim by Harkin that Keynesian economic theory justified his proposal, Instead I responded to Harkin's explanation of why he'd inserted this measure into a bill that we are assured will have a payout inside of the next year. Seemd only fair to me to not attribute outre economic theories to him that he may or may not espouse, but apparently you disagree. Strangely enough I was exposed to a two hour NPR broadcast on Keynes yesterday and was interested enough to do some reading last night. The funny thing is that Keynes was pretty much discredited thirty years ago, but somehow a bunch of New Keynesians have come crawling out of the woodwork. Although Keynes himself (in The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money) advocated spending primarily on infrastructure as well as lowering interest rates, the New Keynesians are quite sure that simply inflating the money supply without necessarily creating value is enough. If I understand their - and your, argument correctly, the most efficient way of getting the economy going again would be to print up a bunch of 100 dollar bills, load them into trucks, trains and airplanes and shovel them out the door wherever we can find a grouping of people. After all, it doesn't matter what we do with the money, it merely matters that we get it out there into circulation. . . Keynes himself was a bit of a flake. He believed that Cambridge Men should do everything for the world from run businesses to determine how many babies of what ethnic groups (no Jews!) should be born. He was a director of the Eugenics society, and despised the working class and the egalitarianism of American culture. He was a member of the Bloomsbury Group which embraced sexual experimentation of almost every sort, but he was called "too dirty," by Virgina Woolfe who was certainly no slouch when it came to interesting combinations and recombinations of lovers. One has to wonder if a man who must have had a somewhat jaundiced view of humanity really understood transactions between less end-of-the-bell-curve people that well.

                    Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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                    Brady Kelly
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                    Oakman wrote:

                    less end-of-the-bell-curve people

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                    • B Brady Kelly

                      Oakman wrote:

                      less end-of-the-bell-curve people

                      :confused:

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                      Oakman
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                      Brady Kelly wrote:

                      :confused:

                      On the bell-curve of lifestyles, Keynes was way out on one end. Most folks would, of course, hang out in the center.

                      Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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                      • O Oakman

                        I'm an ex-smoker (4 packs @ day). I will gladly preach at or to anyone who is willing to listen to all the reasons why smoking is a really bad idea and I'll be as supportive as I can be to anyone trying to quit. That said, would someone like to explain to me why the so-called "economic stimulus package" (Senate version) contain fifty-fracking-seven million dollars to fund smoking cessation programs??? Tom Harkin, the guy who stuck the provision in the bill[^], explained that it would help the economy by reducing the healthcare costs associated with lung cancer and emphemzema. And of course he's right. It will. In about twenty years! If someone wants to reduce the healthcare costs associated smoking cigarettes in the immediate future, the best thing to do is to fund the Kevorkian Morpheus Institute and Traveling Sleepytime Vans. For fifty-seven mil, I bet we could get a bunch of them criss-crossing the country.

                        Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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                        Stan Shannon
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                        Sounds kinda like an earmark to me.

                        Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                        • S Stan Shannon

                          Sounds kinda like an earmark to me.

                          Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                          Oakman
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                          Stan Shannon wrote:

                          Sounds kinda like an earmark to me

                          Apparently the proviso has to state exactly who the recipient is.

                          Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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