AP analysis of Obama's Monday presser

wolfbinary

I think "Beyond that, it's unlikely the nation will ever know how many jobs are saved as a result of the stimulus. While it's clear when jobs are abolished, there's no economic gauge that tracks job preservation." from the article said it best. Even if you don't agree with the stimulus, or any stimulus package for that matter, I don't think there is a way to directly correlate them with any stimulus package piece directly.

Mike Gaskey wrote:

solution no one has even read

I don't think they ever read the bills they vote for unless they author them, and even then I wonder.

Reagan Conservative

Well, when this "stimulus" package doesn't "stimulate" anything more than inflation, will Obama stand up and say "I messed up again?" Good luck to us all --- we're going to need it!

AF Pilot

wolfbinary

Oakman wrote:

Pete Sessions who announced that the Republicans are studying the techniques of Al Qaeda WTF )

WTF, guy's an a$$hat! Where did you hear about this at?

Mike Gaskey

Oakman wrote:

It concerns me greatly that Obama's

is as dishonest as the day is long. Here's something interesting buried in the mush of stimulating words. no big deal, just an underhanded way of taking control of the healthcare system - without debate.[^]

Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

Oakman

Picked it up on Joe Scarborough's show. And like a lot of hearsay, I got it wrong. :-O It wasn't Senator Pete Sessions, it was Congressman Jeff Sessions and it wasn't Al Qaeda, it was the Taliban. However, the gentleman in question is a Republican. Source[^]

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

wolfbinary

Thanks. I always appreciate sources to go along with the information.

Oakman

Mike Gaskey wrote:

Here's something interesting buried in the mush of stimulating words. no big deal, just an underhanded way of taking control of the healthcare system - without debate.[

Wow. Good catch. I wonder if anyone at AARP has heard about this?

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

Rob Graham

That alone would explain the unseemly haste to push through this sausage of spending delights as rapidly as possible without time for debate or examination.

realJSOP

He's already starting to blame the republicans for delaying it. He certainly won't shoulder any of the when it fails. It will be the republicans' fault because they delayed its passage.

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Reagan Conservative

You may be right about that --- sadly, there will be many who can't see the writing on the wall, and agree with him.

AF Pilot

BoneSoft

Nope, he'll say those 3 dirty Republicans passed it. Or blame the Republicans who didn't vote for it for somehow breaking it. Or just blame Bush for "the last eight years", some more. Or he may be more subtle and point to the 40% of the bill dedicated to "tax cuts" which is code for "Republican's fault". Funny, he got elected by promising "tax cuts" and now it's a "failed economic philosophy".

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Reagan Conservative

Yeah, he's got the "doublespeak" portion down pat! '1984', here we come!

AF Pilot

BoneSoft

Oakman wrote:

But I keep wondering why, if some of this stuff will not have any impact on the US economy for the next two years, it can't be excised from this bill which has been labeled "super-urgent,"

Simple. Stimulus is not what he's interested in. Funding his 4 year agenda is.

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Reagan Conservative

I just sent off a scathing email to AARP (as I'm a member, and getting close to retirement). I'll be goddamned if any bureaucrat in Washington is going to tell MY doctor what he/she can/cannot do regarding my health! Christ, we thought Hillary was the problem in health care. Guess we were wrong --- it's F*CKING DASCHLE!!! Now I'm really mad! And sorry, Jon, I cannot wait another 6 months to not whine about this administration! In less than a month, this butthead is leading us to ruination! I hope this is "the change we can believe in" for all those who voted for Barry! This is dejavu all over again. The Carter years are soon going to be upon us once again. High inflation, higher interest rates for sure, prolonged recession, and we'll probably get our asses kicked around the world again. I hope we have enough cruise missiles to fire off to show that "we mean business".

AF Pilot

BoneSoft

Yep, I saw this last week in another article: How the stimulus bill could kill you[^]

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Rob Graham

The Senate just passed the "American Economic Recovery and re-investment act". Welcome to Medicare rationing UK style. You have been officially fucked.

Reagan Conservative

Well, now I am really pissed off. I am going to make the rest of my life's work in defeating every SOB (both Republican and Democrat) who voted for this bill. They are not worthy to be called "Congressmen", and I'm not sure I would claim them to be "Americans" either. It's time for these SOBs to see what life is really like and hold down a job besides on the public dole. I am thinking of turning each and every one of them in to the IRS as tax cheats. I probably will be right at least 50% of the time. We need to set up an organization that keeps tabs on these idiots' coming and goings. We need some people at Andrews AFB to let the rest of know when these "public servants" ride back and forth from their homes to DC on government jets, instead of taking a commercial flight on an economy fare. We need people in the states of these morons and let the rest of the world know what they are up to. Where their campaign money comes from --- anything that can be used against them at election time. And we need to find HONEST CITIZENS who have the knowledge and capacity to run for public office that care more about The United States of America than their own fat wallets. Anyone who comes out of office as a millionaire, when he wasn't one when he went to DC, needs to have their life investigated for the time they were in DC. It's time we, the people, stand up and take back OUR country from these pimps and whores.

AF Pilot

Rob Graham

I recommend the "No-I" voting rule. The only way to reform our government is to impose term limits as voters. No incumbent should receive a vote. If they did well, then "thanks and take a rest", if they were shit, then "don't let the door hit you in the rear". Senators are the worst because of the length of term- half way through the 2nd term they all decide they "know whats best" and are entitiled to the job. Vote "No-I".

Reagan Conservative

I see the investment community has voted --- -370 points, or so. Congrats, Mr. President, you seem to be getting your 'legislation' that you wanted. Seems there are quite a few who would rather not have it. Just where is the 'stimulus' in this piece of crap? Please show us how many jobs have been saved in a) the 1st 6 months, and b) the 1st year. I can't wait to see the numbers! ALL YOU WHO VOTED FOR OBAMA!!! --- Please tell us where the 'stimulus' is in this bill, besides the tax breaks and the welfare disguised as "earned income credit". I'm talking about the plans to spend this money that is going to create those 4 million jobs.

AF Pilot

Rob Graham

Obama's not the problem, just the poster child. Ths started in 2006, in response to the republican Party's complete abrogation of its ideals. We ended up trading one set of thieves for another.