Minority ruining it for the majority... again
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David Wulff wrote: And if guns where legally available again - even if only to people having undergone a comprehensive safety course - statistics show this will not stop the guns making thier way into the hands of irresponsible idiots. Well put you eloquent young whipper-snapper you. :)
Faith. Believing in something you *know* isn't true.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: Well put you eloquent young whipper-snapper you Why thank you, you loud-mouthed tired old fart... :rolleyes: ;P
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
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pdriley wrote: Why remove something that could be a benefit in another situation? They are ways to use them safely, and stuck in traffic would seem to be fine, whereas doing 90 on the M5 would not be. pdriley wrote: I don't buy this. Hell, if I actually had a gun I'd have to be pretty damned threatened before I'd even draw it, let alone use it. You assume a lot of people are the same as you - it isn't so. Just ask your local Jehovas Witness for the proof to this... some people actually let them in! :-D Back to being serious again, a lot of people own guns *for* the confidence it gives them. I know - I've spoken with a whole bunch of them before face-to-face, and see them everywhere in our perfectly little societies. They are not the minority. pdriley wrote: It's just not that easy to kill someone Killing a person is as easy as making one split second misjudgement. how many split second misjudgements have you made under the influence of alcohol, testosterone or adrenaline? I can't count my own. pdriley wrote: BUT if my life and more importantly my family's lives were threatened, that would make a difference. I'd rather get shot trying to defend my wife than sit back and watch someone hurt her. Given that scenario, I'd quite like a fighting chance though. Should the situation physically involve the victim (your wife) being hurt, then by all means move in with appropriate action, but under threat alone you should not move in with force (real or perceived) or you are putting the victim in even more *real* danger. Again the police use the same tactics every time - they never strike until the agressor has shown they are willing to cross the thin grey line between intimidation and physical harm. There is another saying that the SAS use in hostage situations - you don't move in until the first hostage is down. It may sound brutal but their aim is to save the most lives not assit with a bloodbath. Remember: good intentions and assumptions have little ryhmes that go with them. They say my personality is introverted intuitive thinking and judging...
David Wulff
David, You know what... neither of us is going to convince the other and as with Robert, I don't think we actually disagree all that much, it's all a matter of priorities. I just typed out a bunch of answers and then (believe it or not, it's true) my cat came over, headbutted the keyboard a few times and lost all my text (beyond even "undo" - how does that happen?) before I managed to stop her. I can't be bothered to type it all out again and you've just given me an idea for a much more light-hearted thread for the evening session ;). If you particularly want to pick this up another day, I love this debate. If not then we'll agree to disagree. Paul
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David, You know what... neither of us is going to convince the other and as with Robert, I don't think we actually disagree all that much, it's all a matter of priorities. I just typed out a bunch of answers and then (believe it or not, it's true) my cat came over, headbutted the keyboard a few times and lost all my text (beyond even "undo" - how does that happen?) before I managed to stop her. I can't be bothered to type it all out again and you've just given me an idea for a much more light-hearted thread for the evening session ;). If you particularly want to pick this up another day, I love this debate. If not then we'll agree to disagree. Paul
pdriley wrote: beyond even "undo" - how does that happen? Press escape twice - bingo, no more message. :( pdriley wrote: If you particularly want to pick this up another day, I love this debate. If not then we'll agree to disagree I'll take the latter so I can spend some time working today. ;P On another note though I do have a good debate in the works using tree frogs as proof against the existance of a god, with a touch of sci-fi thrown in for good measure, but It will take me a few days to get a draft worked out so that it offends each of the major religions and countries equally...
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
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pdriley wrote: Yeah, but it does only say "coincides". Come on - it is trying to make it part of the central argument. Very poor indeed. If the author didn't want people to assume that is what they meant they shouldn't have written the damn sentence. Bet there is some politics behind that article too. pdriley wrote: evidence that banning guns significantly reduces crime If our current laws stop massacres like Hungerford/Dunblane then that is good enough for me. Hard to prove but I'll wager that it has made a difference. pdriley wrote: That didn't happen before the ban was introduced, why would it happen now if the ban were lifted? This was my response to your comment about people carrying guns to even things up. If we went back to pre-1996 laws then it probably wouldn't make much difference other than perhaps help prevent another massacre by some psycho gun-club member (both Michael Ryan and Dunblane bloke were gun club members) - the reason the laws were brought in to begin with. That's good enough to me. Still, living just a few miles from Hungerford and being personally affected by the events of that day in 1987 obviously clouds my judgement (ha!). pdriley wrote: In polls I've seen, it's either 60-40 anti-guns or 50-50. ha ha ha ha. Well, I've never been asked the question by any pollster but 50-50 - ho ho ho ho. Very good. If there were a referendum tomorrow with the question "Should people be allowed to own hand guns" I'd be surprised if as many of 5% of people said "Yes". It's like the fox-hunting question - if the Countryside Alliance are paying for the poll, it'll come out 50-50 (even they woouldn't try to fool people into thinking that the majority of people in this country are pro-hunting) whereas when the RSPCA are paying the results are 70-30 anti-hunting. Shrug. pdriley wrote: I care what case studies and evidence suggest is right. Well, OK, but anything can be proved by case-studies and "evidence" can be manipulated to suit whoever is paying for the study, etc. For every case-study you can find I expect their is a similar opposing study - whatever the question - guns, drugs, crime, etc. etc. etc. It is VERY hard to find any totally independent and reliable studies on anything! Sigh. Politics again. I tried telling someone once that nearly EVERYTHING is political in some shape or form and I got laughed at.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: Bet there is some politics behind that article too. There are politics behind *every* article, *every* case study, *every* poll. No human is unbiased so trying find some group that is unbiased to conduct such an article, case study, or poll is like the search for the fountain of youth. What gets me is how many people are so willing to proclaim a particular group biased but yet are blind to other groups bias. James "And we are all men; apart from the females." - Colin Davies
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Another wanker has just made the district news for brandishing a cheap £17 "springer" bb gun in public. This makes two high profile cases in as many weeks (the first of which made the national news). District police are now asking people to hand in all their bb guns voluntarily. :(( As the owner of alomost $3,500 worth of high-end airsoft weaponry (AEGs and gas guns) there is no way in hell I will be giving them up now or when they make it illegal to own them - which they will do, mark my words, as long as these fucking idiots are allowed to own them. This will not only inconvienience me but cost retailers and sites around the country well into the hundreds of thousands of pounds. If you are in the UK and dont want to see the hobby and increasingly popular sport of hundreds and hundreds of people in this country going the same way as hand guns, write to your local police force and lobby them to ban the sale of bb guns to minors. They may be classed as toys, but there appearance alone should qualify them as dangerous weapons, and they should fall under the same legal restrictions as knifes. (I say legal as many retailers - quite rightly - self regulate the sale of these cheaper toys to children, but sadly not all). Personally I think the ARUs should shoot the little bastards if they are stupid enough to jepordise their lives and the public opinion of our sport. :mad:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
Get a real gun. More bang for the buck. ;) Preferred storyline: - I am your father. Search your feelings and you'll know it's the truth. Together we can rule this galaxy like father and son. - Ok dad. Let's kick some butt!
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Roger Wright wrote: Thankfully, we don't have quite the sheep population of some other parts of the globe ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Funniest thing I've read so far this morning. The majority of the population from any country are sheep. They do what they're told and they even vote how their daily newspaper tells them. Sad really, but governments prefer it this way!
Faith. Believing in something you *know* isn't true.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: The majority of the population from any country are sheep. They do what they're told and they even vote how their daily newspaper tells them. I have never found that to be true in my country. Virtually everyone I know who bothers to vote has a very well thought out opinion concerning how and why they are voting. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
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Another wanker has just made the district news for brandishing a cheap £17 "springer" bb gun in public. This makes two high profile cases in as many weeks (the first of which made the national news). District police are now asking people to hand in all their bb guns voluntarily. :(( As the owner of alomost $3,500 worth of high-end airsoft weaponry (AEGs and gas guns) there is no way in hell I will be giving them up now or when they make it illegal to own them - which they will do, mark my words, as long as these fucking idiots are allowed to own them. This will not only inconvienience me but cost retailers and sites around the country well into the hundreds of thousands of pounds. If you are in the UK and dont want to see the hobby and increasingly popular sport of hundreds and hundreds of people in this country going the same way as hand guns, write to your local police force and lobby them to ban the sale of bb guns to minors. They may be classed as toys, but there appearance alone should qualify them as dangerous weapons, and they should fall under the same legal restrictions as knifes. (I say legal as many retailers - quite rightly - self regulate the sale of these cheaper toys to children, but sadly not all). Personally I think the ARUs should shoot the little bastards if they are stupid enough to jepordise their lives and the public opinion of our sport. :mad:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
So how about sending the board of BT some bb guns ? :laugh: Sort of killing two birds with one stone ? :eek: Elinae (bullet proof jacket wearing tigress) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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So how about sending the board of BT some bb guns ? :laugh: Sort of killing two birds with one stone ? :eek: Elinae (bullet proof jacket wearing tigress) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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Another wanker has just made the district news for brandishing a cheap £17 "springer" bb gun in public. This makes two high profile cases in as many weeks (the first of which made the national news). District police are now asking people to hand in all their bb guns voluntarily. :(( As the owner of alomost $3,500 worth of high-end airsoft weaponry (AEGs and gas guns) there is no way in hell I will be giving them up now or when they make it illegal to own them - which they will do, mark my words, as long as these fucking idiots are allowed to own them. This will not only inconvienience me but cost retailers and sites around the country well into the hundreds of thousands of pounds. If you are in the UK and dont want to see the hobby and increasingly popular sport of hundreds and hundreds of people in this country going the same way as hand guns, write to your local police force and lobby them to ban the sale of bb guns to minors. They may be classed as toys, but there appearance alone should qualify them as dangerous weapons, and they should fall under the same legal restrictions as knifes. (I say legal as many retailers - quite rightly - self regulate the sale of these cheaper toys to children, but sadly not all). Personally I think the ARUs should shoot the little bastards if they are stupid enough to jepordise their lives and the public opinion of our sport. :mad:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
David Wulff wrote: As the owner of alomost $3,500 worth of high-end airsoft weaponry Crumbs, you could by my entire car for that price David. Now I can understand people buying paintball guns because, well, you can run around shooting your friends in matches and stuff. But airsoft guns/weaponry? What do you actually do with it apart from shoot pigeons and targets? Just curious, you are entitled to enjoy whatever you want. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Simon Walton wrote: "You come across a lot of people who call themselves realists, when they are actually pessimists attempting to look intelligent."
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David Wulff wrote: As the owner of alomost $3,500 worth of high-end airsoft weaponry Crumbs, you could by my entire car for that price David. Now I can understand people buying paintball guns because, well, you can run around shooting your friends in matches and stuff. But airsoft guns/weaponry? What do you actually do with it apart from shoot pigeons and targets? Just curious, you are entitled to enjoy whatever you want. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Simon Walton wrote: "You come across a lot of people who call themselves realists, when they are actually pessimists attempting to look intelligent."
Paul Watson wrote: But airsoft guns/weaponry? What do you actually do with it apart from shoot pigeons and targets? You do exactly the same as you described for paintballing - most airsoft guns have a greater range and a far higher rof (800 rounds per minute is about average for an AEG using stock internals and batteries*) than paintballing equipment anyway, with the added bonus of being accurate replicas (in terms of appearance, operation, and in some cases weight too. With airsoft you get the "experience" side that paintballing cannot offer. * in paintballing terms that is about £50 a minute. http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/main/main.htm[^] AA is a good place to start looking - they have some of the best airsoft related news in the world, let alone the UK, and you can also find out about the sporting side of the hobby. This one may interest you if you have no idea to start with: http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/articles/newbie_guide/newbie_faq.htm[^]
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.