2nd Amendment rights under attack in the House

BoneSoft

Yes, it could ponentially be a better world if nobody had guns. But realistically, when someone wants to harm someone else, they will use whatever is available. So in the gun debate, accidents are the only real issue. Well almost... Criminals who obtain an illegal gun are an issue for those who choose not to own one. In any case, ownership without accident requires some responsibility to safety, which of course is a task many people aren't up to. Maybe it was a faulty thought by the founders, who lived in decidedly different times, but the second amendment won't be going away lightly. I think the founders originally meant for that to be a means by which the people could guard against the government turning into something it wasn't meant to be, but in this day and age, the millitary dwarfs anything the public has anyway. But bottom line for me is this, other people have them, I like knowing I have mine to guard against all those others. And I take the safety of those weapons very seriously.

Christian Graus wrote:

she was so excited every time we saw a squirrel.

They are cute little buggers. And I don't expect that they taste real wonderful, but if it comes to it... At the college I went to, squirrels in the quad were so used to being around people, you could sit in the grass and they'd come up to you looking for food. However, as Europe can attest, you want to be warry of rodents with fleas.

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Doctor Nick

BoneSoft wrote:

But bottom line for me is this, other people have them, I like knowing I have mine to guard against all those others

And the coming zombie invasion...

BoneSoft wrote:

I don't expect that they taste real wonderful, but if it comes to it...

Actually, this will sound cliche but they taste like chicken. Gamey but chicken none the less.

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BoneSoft

Doctor Nick wrote:

And the coming zombie invasion...

But that's another 4 years away, and can be avoided altogether by voting in a red state.

Doctor Nick wrote:

they taste like chicken

That's good to know. So squirrel teriaki and squirrel noodle soup are options. ;P

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Christian Graus

BoneSoft wrote:

So in the gun debate, accidents are the only real issue

They appear to be the main issue this bill is trying to address.

BoneSoft wrote:

Well almost... Criminals who obtain an illegal gun are an issue for those who choose not to own one.

Yes, I guess that will continue to be more likely to occur in the US than it is here, for a time at least.

BoneSoft wrote:

In any case, ownership without accident requires some responsibility to safety, which of course is a task many people aren't up to

Which is what this bill is trying to address, yes.

BoneSoft wrote:

Maybe it was a faulty thought by the founders, who lived in decidedly different time

No, it made sense at the time.

BoneSoft wrote:

, but in this day and age, the millitary dwarfs anything the public has anyway.

Thank you, most people won't accept this point when I make it.

BoneSoft wrote:

And I take the safety of those weapons very seriously.

So, you'd pass this apparently new test, then. I'd imagine most people would, I mean gun deaths are surely a small % of gun owners.

BoneSoft wrote:

They are cute little buggers

Yes, they are.

BoneSoft wrote:

However, as Europe can attest, you want to be warry of rodents with fleas.

The fact that they were not used as a food source in the past, tells me that others have tried and found it wanting.

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Christian Graus

dan neely wrote:

Women, small men, children, the elderly, and the infirm are at a great disadvantage in a confrontation using any sort of melee weapon

True. But EVERYONE is at a disadvantage in a society that expects both the robber and robbee to be armed,

Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.

Oakman

Christian Graus wrote:

Guns exist to kill people.

Some people deserve killing Christian, you live on an island. Your only near neighbors are pretty much the same as you are ethnically, socially, every which way. Although you've had some racial violence, you haven't got the slightest idea what it's like to share a border with a country that is so corrupt that the police either work hand-in-glove with the crooks or they get decapitated. Where running gun-battles over "turf" often spill over into your country. You haven't the slightest idea what it would be like to be invaded by 20 million illegals who are loyal to a foreign power - or the proportional equivalent in numbers. MS13 - composed of South and Central Americans has 50,000 members in this country and are known to be armed as well as the average infantry platoon.

Christian Graus wrote:

I'd suggest it's poverty, not skin color, or culture

Of course it's poverty. Luckily there are no poor white people in the US. A white skin guarantees a yearly remittance from the Ku Klux Klan of a quarter of a million dollars. Everybody knows that.

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Oakman

BoneSoft wrote:

and squirrels and birds once Uh-bama's "stimulus" plan kicks in

How much is being appropriated for squirrels and birds? :omg:

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

Oakman

Christian Graus wrote:

I'd go after someone in my house with an axe or a poker. I'd know they almost certainly don't have a gun.

A couple of weeks ago, didn't you refer to a section of a town where there was lots of gunfire?

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Christian Graus

Oakman wrote:

Some people deserve killing

By the army or police, perhaps.

Oakman wrote:

Your only near neighbors are pretty much the same as you are ethnically, socially, every which way

Not so. Apart from NZ, which isn't a real country, our near neighbours include native islands with cannibals, asian countries full of extremist Muslims, and so on.

Oakman wrote:

Although you've had some racial violence, you haven't got the slightest idea what it's like to share a border with a country that is so corrupt that the police either work hand-in-glove with the crooks or they get decapitated.

Yes, on this front, you are right. And yet, your government does nothing about it, because these are the people that grease the wheels of your industry.

Oakman wrote:

You haven't the slightest idea what it would be like to be invaded by 20 million illegals who are loyal to a foreign power - or the proportional equivalent in numbers. MS13 - composed of South and Central Americans has 50,000 members in this country and are known to be armed as well as the average infantry platoon.

I would suspect that most are only loyal to themselves. Again, this is your governments issue, and arming the populace will not solve it.

Oakman wrote:

Of course it's poverty. Luckily there are no poor white people in the US. A white skin guarantees a yearly remittance from the Ku Klux Klan of a quarter of a million dollars. Everybody knows that.

Well, white people are less likely to be exploited the way that your illegals are. I would imagine that the white people dying in those stats you posted, are also mostly poor, but poverty is not equally distributed, there's no denying that.

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Christian Graus

If I did, I was either in the US, or I was being sarcastic. Let me rephrase that, a couple of weeks ago, I was in the US, but I assume I was being sarcastic when I said it.

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Oakman

The discussion was about the price of houses in certain parts of Australia some said, maybe not you, that one area with cheap housing meant you had to put up with lots of gunfire.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

BoneSoft

What the bill suggests are mostly good ideas. With the likes of Peloci and company in positions of power, I don't like the idea of the government knowing much about my ownership. I know how that sounds, and all of your arguements are sound. Most of the opposition to these kinds of bills is base (I think) on the perception that they are intended to chip away at our right to own. What they should concentrate on, and come to think of it I've never seen anything about, is how people come by illegal guns. Which I think account for a majority of gun injuries and deaths. I guess it's our own national arms race. You're right, it doesn't make much sense to perpetuate.

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Christian Graus

OK - then I was just being sarcastic. I just meant that you have to live somewhere with crappy neighbours ( and you may well get mugged ) if you go to a cheaper area.

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BoneSoft

About $100, in ammo... Pretty much wiped out WalMart's stash. ;) But seriously, since the "stimulus" will do nothing for the economy, I'm expecting a complete collapse which will leave us with a hefty food shortage. Hopefully it won't be that bad, but who knows at this point; better safe than sorry. And there's not much to hunt in the arm pit of Texas. Course, once food gets scarce, I expect a lot of dogs and cats to be put out to fend for themselves. I'll have a little harder time eating them.

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Oakman

BoneSoft wrote:

I expect a lot of dogs and cats to be put out to fend for themselves.

A lady I know in Texas runs a rescue operation - 29 cats, 12 dogs, assorted geese, possums, ducks, etc. Don't go near her place thinking what you are thinking. She's packing and has a license to carry concealed.

BoneSoft wrote:

I'll have a little harder time eating them

Lots of Long Pig

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BoneSoft

Actually, I was reading something written by a guy who worked several disasters in the national guard. He was suggesting that once food starts to run short, people will let their pets go to fend for themselves believing that it will be better for the pet. If a lot of that happens, dogs will gather in packs that will likely start attacking people, and cats of course are notorious hunters that will quickly deplete what game there is. He was saying that if you do find yourself in a prolonged food shortage situation, you'll have to get used to killing cats and dogs on sight. Makes sense. Course, eating those you kill does too. I would dislike killing dogs more, but for some reason I think they'd be easier for me to eat than a nasty cat. Hopefully I'll never have to find out.

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