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[Stan Shannon]

RichardM1 wrote:

You are not willing to answer whether you would defend the country against the Russians if they invaded?

I have spent most of my adult life in uniform defending this country against the USSR - so blow me. But one of the reasons I finally quit the service in 1990 was because I had already begun to question my patriotism to a nation clearly controlled by a leftist agenda. Even a man like Reagan could not make much head way against it, and was forced to compromise with it.

RichardM1 wrote:

So far, it sounds if they passed a law making it legal, you would be totally OK with it, since it would be legal and all.

I believe that the invasion and conquest of the United States of American is already a foregone accomplishement. It is a done deal. There is nothing left to defend against.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Mustafa Ismail Mustafa]

Stan Shannon wrote:

Actually, thats why I also opposed the invasion.

So we agree on something.

Stan Shannon wrote:

And I have no problem with a non-American making such ludicrous alligations - aside from the fact that they are ludicrous, of course.

Pray, do tell as to why you consider them ludicrous? Also, you're implying that an American would not sound ludicrous. This in itself is ludicrous.

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[Lost User]

Stan Shannon wrote:

I have no problem with a non-American making such ludicrous alligations

Just non-Americans. There have been postings here from CP member citizens of the good old US of A condemning those "flawed" reports of WMD and the assumption that oil was the primary reason for GulfWarII. Are all these American CP members putting or agreeing a "ludicrous allegations" charge without a foundation to base their charges upon?

[Mustafa Ismail Mustafa]

Stan Shannon wrote:

so blow me

Oh wow Stan, you resort to insults when you have no responses that can actually be made into an argument and then you start considering the insults as valid argument responses.

Stan Shannon wrote:

I have spent most of my adult life in uniform defending this country against the USSR

That still doesn't answer Richard's question, clearly in confusion because you said you'd actually assist them.

Stan Shannon wrote:

one of the reasons I finally quit the service in 1990 was because I had already begun to question my patriotism to a nation clearly controlled by a leftist agenda. Even a man like Reagan could not make much head way against it, and was forced to compromise with it.

Stan Shannon wrote:

I believe that the invasion and conquest of the United States of American is already a foregone accomplishement. It is a done deal. There is nothing left to defend against.

That is defeatist and akin to throwing down your arms and running away naked from battle. To me, a soldier who served his country with pride and honor, would not do such a thing. You quit because you had your reasons, don't cite extremely petty and useless ones at that. If you had said "I got sick of it all", that would have carried more weight than what you said. Also, how on Earth can you consider the US "invaded" by leftists?

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[Lost User]

Stan Shannon wrote:

except to the extent that we can any longer consider our democratic processes fair.

No good you saying that unless you can suggest an alternative system that would have universal approval from the American Electorate.

[Lost User]

Stan Shannon wrote:

I believe that the invasion and conquest of the United States of American is already a foregone accomplishement. It is a done deal. There is nothing left to defend against.

So you advocate "Rolling over and dying". I'm sure that is a very minority view.

Stan Shannon wrote:

Reagan

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he largely the reason the USSR collapsed.

[Mustafa Ismail Mustafa]

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

Are all these American CP members putting or agreeing a "ludicrous allegations" charge without a foundation to base their charges upon?

It seems that in The TheWayTheUSAndDemocracyShouldBe Republic of Stanshannonia, they are making ludicrous allegations.

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[Lost User]

Stan Shannon wrote:

it is the duty of every American citizen to not publically promote arguments which justify why those troops should be killed

But that should not mean that if a policy - political or military - appears to be wrong or harmful, that you should not give your views. It is quite possible that a view may not previously have been considered thus you would be doing a good service by making your comments/views known rather than doing a dis-service by keeping mouth firmly shut. The political or military breed don't always get it right, and that costs needless losses of life.

[Stan Shannon]

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

So you advocate "Rolling over and dying". I'm sure that is a very minority view.

No, I'm advocating fighting back - but against the enemey that already has occupied our country.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Lost User]

Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

how on Earth can you consider the US "invaded" by leftists

They have been hiding under his bed, now they want to join him in his bed.

[Mustafa Ismail Mustafa]

That sir smacks of leftist hanky panky and is not acceptable by the true blue Republicans for Democracy like Stan!

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[Stan Shannon]

Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

Oh wow Stan, you resort to insults when you have no responses that can actually be made into an argument and then you start considering the insults as valid argument responses.

No, I'm considering an insult a valid response to being asked if I am willing to do something that I have, in fact, already done.

Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

clearly in confusion because you said you'd actually assist them.

Than let me state it more clearly - if an foreign army invaded my coutnry for the purpose of liberating me from the democrat party and the principles it promotes, I would fight along side that army against the democrats. I see no reason why I should prefer rule by the modern democrat party to be preferred to rule by anyone else. I have no patriotic attachements to a single principle they stand for.

Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

That is defeatist and akin to throwing down your arms and running away naked from battle. To me, a soldier who served his country with pride and honor, would not do such a thing. You quit because you had your reasons, don't cite extremely petty and useless ones at that. If you had said "I got sick of it all", that would have carried more weight than what you said.

I had practical reasons for quitting the service, but none that could not have been overcome if I had felt sufficient motivation to continue serving. I didn't. My patriotism to a dead ideal was insufficient to motivate me. But I stand ready to rejoin the real fight if the opportunity ever presents itself, and, of course, I will continue to participate politically in the forelone hope that it will make any difference at all.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Mustafa Ismail Mustafa]

Who would be...?

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[Lost User]

"If there is nothing left to defend against" then "I'm advocating fighting back" could be a waste of your time, a waste of your monies, and eventually, a waste of your very self. Might be better to put up with what you have rather than wishing for something you know you can't have.

[Stan Shannon]

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

Just non-Americans. There have been postings here from CP member citizens of the good old US of A condemning those "flawed" reports of WMD and the assumption that oil was the primary reason for GulfWarII. Are all these American CP members putting or agreeing a "ludicrous allegations" charge without a foundation to base their charges upon

Even if they disagree with its policies, any patriotic American should be willing to allow our system to work the way it was designed to work without publically promoting arguments which basically say - "Our government is evil, you are right to be killing our troops." If the president overstepts the bounds of his authority, it is the duty of congress to take actions against him. They have every power they need to do that. If enough citizens demand that of their congressman, it would happen. That is the way it is supposed to be done. To wage a proganda war against a commander in chief while troops are committed legally to battle without such appropriate legal actions being taken, is purely a political ploy to regain power at the expense of those troops, and it is most certainly treason by any definition of the word.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Stan Shannon]

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

"If there is nothing left to defend against" then "I'm advocating fighting back" could be a waste of your time, a waste of your monies, and eventually, a waste of your very self. Might be better to put up with what you have rather than wishing for something you know you can't have.

Which is precisely what I am advoating - unless an honorable opportunity presents itself to do otherwise. But the enemy - the leadership of the left in this country - is alreay here. They are already in control. Any actual invasion would just be so melodramatic at this point.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Lost User]

Stan Shannon wrote:

if an foreign army invaded my coutnry for the purpose of liberating me from the democrat party and the principles it promotes, I would fight along side that army against the democrats

You will have George Washington turning in his grave. He fought against a foreign army not with them.

[Stan Shannon]

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

No good you saying that unless you can suggest an alternative system that would have universal approval from the American Electorate.

How about a system with a press that is actually willing to do its job and give both sides an equal chance rather than constantly demonizing a perfectly valid, traditional, American political point of view. Would that be too much to ask for?

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Mustafa Ismail Mustafa]

Stan Shannon wrote:

No, I'm considering an insult a valid response to being asked if I am willing to do something that I have, in fact, already done.

Regardless of what you say, or has been said to you, insults are playground tactics because one is stumped or lacking the wit for a response.

Stan Shannon wrote:

Than let me state it more clearly - if an foreign army invaded my coutnry for the purpose of liberating me from the democrat party and the principles it promotes, I would fight along side that army against the democrats. I see no reason why I should prefer rule by the modern democrat party to be preferred to rule by anyone else. I have no patriotic attachements to a single principle they stand for.

That is very unconvincing. You fight back any way you can, regardless of who(m) is invading. Aiding another invader defeat a previous invader does not solve anything but simply compounds the issue.

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[Lost User]

The press have always had a political view. It may not be the view that pleases Stan Shannon. The only way you (Stan Shannon) will force the press to publish that which only Stan Shannon approves of is by Stan Shannon buying the press and printing only what Stan dictates. Or Nationalizing it "Stalin - like" so it only prints "the Stan Shannon party line" irrespective of the truth. A political system is much more than "the Press". Try again, an alternative system you still haven't found.