who's read the koran (Qur'an) lately?...
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As we approached 9-11 I got to thinking about Muslims and the Islamic faith. I thought the Islamic faith was very peaceful, and that those who pulled stunts like last year were "radical extremists". But quoting from thier book I am now confused.
"Fight it, the cause of Allah those who fight you, but commit no aggression; for Allah loves not transgressors." (al-Baqarah; 2:190)
Who doesn't think they been "transgressed" or offeneded. I think we all have. So how and when is it ever just to kill.
(al-anfaal 008.060) Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of God and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of God, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
There are other qoutes that talk about it you are pursecuted to kill. I'm not wanting to offend, I don't wnat anyone to take it that way. I just need an explaination.
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As we approached 9-11 I got to thinking about Muslims and the Islamic faith. I thought the Islamic faith was very peaceful, and that those who pulled stunts like last year were "radical extremists". But quoting from thier book I am now confused.
"Fight it, the cause of Allah those who fight you, but commit no aggression; for Allah loves not transgressors." (al-Baqarah; 2:190)
Who doesn't think they been "transgressed" or offeneded. I think we all have. So how and when is it ever just to kill.
(al-anfaal 008.060) Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of God and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of God, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
There are other qoutes that talk about it you are pursecuted to kill. I'm not wanting to offend, I don't wnat anyone to take it that way. I just need an explaination.
Well,I'm not religous person but live in a country that 99% of people are muslim and I rarely read Qur'an.Anyway: pmenefee wrote: Fight it, the cause of Allah those who fight you, but commit no aggression; for Allah loves not transgressors Abviously it say attack those attacks you,not begins wars yourself. But some muslims like Bin-Ladan use some qoutes likethe second one you said and in the name of allah,attack to others and say we do it because of GOD but these are not the things in Islam,they use the words in bad way. Mazy **"If I go crazy then will you still Call me Superman If I’m alive and well, will you be There holding my hand I’ll keep you by my side with My superhuman might Kryptonite"**Kryptonite-3 Doors Down
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As we approached 9-11 I got to thinking about Muslims and the Islamic faith. I thought the Islamic faith was very peaceful, and that those who pulled stunts like last year were "radical extremists". But quoting from thier book I am now confused.
"Fight it, the cause of Allah those who fight you, but commit no aggression; for Allah loves not transgressors." (al-Baqarah; 2:190)
Who doesn't think they been "transgressed" or offeneded. I think we all have. So how and when is it ever just to kill.
(al-anfaal 008.060) Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of God and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of God, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
There are other qoutes that talk about it you are pursecuted to kill. I'm not wanting to offend, I don't wnat anyone to take it that way. I just need an explaination.
pmenefee wrote: As we approached 9-11 I got to thinking about Muslims and the Islamic faith. I thought the Islamic faith was very peaceful
if( Religious_faith == PEACEFUL )
{
Culture = PEACEFUL;
Politics = PEACEFUL;
}Is that you point? :confused::confused::confused::confused: When has that ever been true of any religion? I'm afraid that religion has very little to do with the current situation. You will find no answers to these problems by reading anyone's bible. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
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pmenefee wrote: As we approached 9-11 I got to thinking about Muslims and the Islamic faith. I thought the Islamic faith was very peaceful
if( Religious_faith == PEACEFUL )
{
Culture = PEACEFUL;
Politics = PEACEFUL;
}Is that you point? :confused::confused::confused::confused: When has that ever been true of any religion? I'm afraid that religion has very little to do with the current situation. You will find no answers to these problems by reading anyone's bible. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
Reverend Stan wrote: I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP. :laugh: :~ Regards, Brian Dela :-)
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As we approached 9-11 I got to thinking about Muslims and the Islamic faith. I thought the Islamic faith was very peaceful, and that those who pulled stunts like last year were "radical extremists". But quoting from thier book I am now confused.
"Fight it, the cause of Allah those who fight you, but commit no aggression; for Allah loves not transgressors." (al-Baqarah; 2:190)
Who doesn't think they been "transgressed" or offeneded. I think we all have. So how and when is it ever just to kill.
(al-anfaal 008.060) Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of God and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of God, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
There are other qoutes that talk about it you are pursecuted to kill. I'm not wanting to offend, I don't wnat anyone to take it that way. I just need an explaination.
I, too, have picked up my old Qur'an since 9/11, for similar reasons - I've known good Muslims and know them to be peace loving people, and I really wanted to understand this abberation. While the phrasing is foreign and difficult for me, the book is a peaceful one, encouraging tolerance and good will to others, but also a warlike book, encouraging the followers of the true faith to strike back at the enemies of Allah. Nothing particularly surprising there - our Bible contains plenty of inspired smiting. The motivations of these lunatics can only be political, or manufactured to satisfy a madman's lust for power. Perhaps I would have gotten more out of the book, though, had I been a bit less distracted. I took it along on a business trip on 9/28 and, while attending meetings, left it in my hotel room on the nightstand next to my trusty Browning Hi-Power 9mm Auto.:-O Only a fool crosses 500 miles of desert this time of year without a few gallons of water and a reliable gun, so I thought nothing of it until it occurred to me in the meeting what it must look like to the maid:wtf: I spent the rest of the trip half-expecting the FBI to burst down my door in the middle of the night! This Signature is Temporarily Out of Order
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As we approached 9-11 I got to thinking about Muslims and the Islamic faith. I thought the Islamic faith was very peaceful, and that those who pulled stunts like last year were "radical extremists". But quoting from thier book I am now confused.
"Fight it, the cause of Allah those who fight you, but commit no aggression; for Allah loves not transgressors." (al-Baqarah; 2:190)
Who doesn't think they been "transgressed" or offeneded. I think we all have. So how and when is it ever just to kill.
(al-anfaal 008.060) Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of God and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of God, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
There are other qoutes that talk about it you are pursecuted to kill. I'm not wanting to offend, I don't wnat anyone to take it that way. I just need an explaination.
A lot of the meaning with regards to fighting withing the Qur'an is regarded as talking about the fighting that occures within your mind - or if you are religious yourself, within your "soul". When anything is translated into a totally foreign language a lot of the intended meaning is lost without a lot of paraphrasing - this is why (using the Qur'an as an example according to what I learned at school and down at the local Mosque) very few Muslims beleive a localised copy to be anything short of a novel. Just look at Babelfish and how distorted a simple sentance can become when translated between a couple of languages and back again.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
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A lot of the meaning with regards to fighting withing the Qur'an is regarded as talking about the fighting that occures within your mind - or if you are religious yourself, within your "soul". When anything is translated into a totally foreign language a lot of the intended meaning is lost without a lot of paraphrasing - this is why (using the Qur'an as an example according to what I learned at school and down at the local Mosque) very few Muslims beleive a localised copy to be anything short of a novel. Just look at Babelfish and how distorted a simple sentance can become when translated between a couple of languages and back again.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
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pmenefee wrote: As we approached 9-11 I got to thinking about Muslims and the Islamic faith. I thought the Islamic faith was very peaceful
if( Religious_faith == PEACEFUL )
{
Culture = PEACEFUL;
Politics = PEACEFUL;
}Is that you point? :confused::confused::confused::confused: When has that ever been true of any religion? I'm afraid that religion has very little to do with the current situation. You will find no answers to these problems by reading anyone's bible. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
Reverend Stan wrote: Is that you point? heh... cute.. almost, more like:
If (ManKind.HumanNature.IsPeaceful)
{
Culture = PEACEFUL;
Politics = PEACEFUL;
return true;
}
else
return false; // go read the news paper :)It doesn't take much to notice people can be really nasty (i.e. Lord of the Flies, it's our nature.) Today.... I drink coffee