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MSNBC: Blinded woman demands eye-for-eye justice

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  • M martin_hughes

    Ilíon wrote:

    The "an eye for an eye" stricture was a limitation of personal vengence and endless vendetta and also a subtle refutation of the idea that some persons are worth more than other persons. Do you not find it amusing that 'secularists' who like to pretend to be scandalized by "an eye for an eye" always seem to overlook "Vengence is mine, says the Lord," and that God commands us as communities to do justice and punish wrong-doers. Do you not find it amusing that 'secularists' who like to pretend to be scandalized by "an eye for an eye" will tend to personally advocate something worse when an individual outrage shocks their (intentionally) blunted consciences? For instance[^]

    This is a real truth. The absolutely horrendous injuries inflicted on that poor woman in your original post should, without question, be inflicted on her attacker. Imprisoning him would do nothing, killing him wouldn't punish him and I think we have to dismiss the idea of a deterrent. Where Sharia law has got this wrong is believing men and women are not equal. However, I would not want to be the person who throws acid in his face. I think people often confuse revenge with vengeance, as does the law. Revenge is the personal retaliation of an individual against another - either personally, or through the law - but vengeance, vengeance is to sit in judgement and to meet out punishment on behalf of someone else. No wonder God reserved this for himself.

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    martin_hughes wrote:

    I think people often confuse revenge with vengeance

    I think people often make the mistake of thinking that the ancient Judeans spoke Elizabethan English. Talking about variations on a single root word in English is, with due respect, not of much use in understanding a passage that was probably written in Aramaic, although it's possible we can trace it no further back than some form of Greek.

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      Rob Graham wrote:

      I think this has long been the fundamental premise of justice in mid-eastern societies. Both old testament law (an eye for a eye) and sharia are fundamentally revenge based.

      How little you understand reality ... or justice. Or yourself. The "an eye for an eye" stricture was a limitation of personal vengence and endless vendetta and also a subtle refutation of the idea that some persons are worth more than other persons. Do you not find it amusing that 'secularists' who like to pretend to be scandalized by "an eye for an eye" always seem to overlook "Vengence is mine, says the Lord," and that God commands us as communities to do justice and punish wrong-doers. Do you not find it amusing that 'secularists' who like to pretend to be scandalized by "an eye for an eye" will tend to personally advocate something worse when an individual outrage shocks their (intentionally) blunted consciences? For instance[^]

      Rob Graham wrote[^]:

      Only works if you equate justice with revenge.

      There can be no justice without "revenge." When a society will not enact just vengence up wrong-doers, then the society fragments: individuals begin to impose their own "justice" -- but it be vendetta and rarely just: "You broke my tooth, so I'm "justified" in putting out your eye." "You put my eye, so I'm "justified" in taking off your head." "You killed my son, so I'm "justified" in killing you and your son." "You killed my kin, so I'm "justified" in killing you and your clan." Just what do you imagine justice is, you holier-than-thou[-and-than-God] moral sqiush? Personal squeemishness is not evidence of standing on a higher plane of morality.

      modified on Thursday, March 5, 2009 5:47 PM

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      who died and appointed you judge? Opinions are like as... and this is pure gargabe.

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        Only works if you equate justice with revenge.

        modified on Thursday, March 5, 2009 7:21 PM

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        Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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        Rob Graham wrote:

        justice with revenge

        But isn't there a saying like 'Tit for Tat' too?

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