Obama does something right.

[Le centriste]

Stan Shannon wrote:

So we are all being forced by the state to pay for the process whether we morally approve of it or not...

Were you concerned by the government using money of those who did not approve it to wage war?

[Stan Shannon]

Le Centriste wrote:

Were you concerned by the government using money of those who did not approve it to wage war?

Considering that it was done in a constitutionally sanctioned fashion - no. The constitution gives the government the authority to wage war - not to mass produce human fetuses.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[fred_]

Dalek Dave wrote:

I believe that coffee should be banned.

Wash your mouth out with soap young man .. coffee IS my friend

[Oakman]

Stan Shannon wrote:

The constitution gives the government the authority to wage war to agree with me at all times and in all ways and to enforce my personal prejudices without delay or mercy.

Fixed that for you. ;)

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

[Tim Craig]

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

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[Tim Craig]

Stan Shannon wrote:

Does being concerned about that make me a christian troglodyte of some kind?

No, you're a christian troglodyte first, foremost, and always. :laugh:

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[Stan Shannon]

Tim Craig wrote:

No, you're a christian troglodyte first, foremost, and always.

Well, its better than being what you are, pal. Say, how many embryos do you think it will take to keep your fat ass alive?

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Oakman]

Stan Shannon wrote:

Well, its better than being what you are, pal. Say, how many embryos do you think it will take to keep your fat ass alive?

Stan, Christianity is a religion with very specific entrance requirements. Except for the fuzzy-wuzzy cults who think that Yeshua was some sort of new-age hippie who gave everybody a rose when was put on trial, the Apostle's Creed has been recognized as defining the necessary faith need to self-identify as a Christian. I believe in God, the Father Almighty, the Maker of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord: Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried; He descended into hell. The third day He arose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead. I believe in the Holy Ghost; the holy catholic church; the communion of saints; the forgiveness of sins; the resurrection of the body; and the life everlasting.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

[Tim Craig]

Oakman wrote:

Stan, Christianity is a religion with very specific entrance requirements.

For Stan, christianity is just a political requirement. You don't actually have to "believe" anything about it but go through the motions to please the power base. He's still the atheist he claims to have grown up as. He's just afraid to admit it to his buddies anymore.

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[Tim Craig]

I hope lots of them. Wait until you need some gene therapy and we'll see how long you refuse it.

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[soap brain]

Are you morally opposed to the use of the HeLa cell line in biomedical research?

[soap brain]

Stan Shannon wrote:

Considering that it was done in a constitutionally sanctioned fashion - no.

Hypocrite.

Stan Shannon wrote:

The constitution gives the government the authority to wage war - not to mass produce human fetuses.

'The Government' doesn't mass produce human foetuses. Your beloved 'People' do, the means by which I'll explain to you when you're older; they're also not going to stop anytime soon, so why should we not make it to the benefit rather than detriment of mankind?

[Stan Shannon]

Tim Craig wrote:

I hope lots of them.

And if they tasted good dipped in butter, you'd probably require even more of them.

Tim Craig wrote:

Wait until you need some gene therapy and we'll see how long you refuse it.

I would refuse any medical technology acquired from the use of human fetuses or any other form of experimentation on human beings.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Stan Shannon]

Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

Hypocrite

Nothing hypocritical about it. I don't happen to believe that people who are morally opposed to war should be requred to fund it. But making war is a perfectly valid form of government activity and is sanctioned by the constitution. Embryonic research isn't.

Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

'The Government' doesn't mass produce human foetuses. Your beloved 'People' do, the means by which I'll explain to you when you're older; they're also not going to stop anytime soon, so why should we not make it to the benefit rather than detriment of mankind?

Embryos certainly can be massed produced, and will be now that the government has lifted the ban on tax payer money being used for that purpose.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[soap brain]

Stan Shannon wrote:

Nothing hypocritical about it. I don't happen to believe that people who are morally opposed to war should be requred to fund it. But making war is a perfectly valid form of government activity and is sanctioned by the constitution. Embryonic research isn't.

Yes, perhaps they saw into the future and decided that embryonic research was wrong. They also apparently decided that pocket calculators are an unconstitutional mode of mathematical computation within government schools.

Stan Shannon wrote:

Embryos certainly can be massed produced, and will be now that the government has lifted the ban on tax payer money being used for that purpose.

Good. Maybe they'll use those little bags of salty water to cure spinal muscular atrophy or nephroblastoma.

[Lost User]

As the result of the Bush ban, many scientists left the US for foreign countries such as UK to do this research. Would it not be beneficial to the United States to attempt to become world renowned leaders in this subject. By ignoring or condemning this subject will not make it go away.

[Stan Shannon]

There was no "Bush Ban". He merely disallowed federal taxes being used to create new embryonic stem cell lines. Otherwise, the research was unaffected. Which is why today there are any number of far more promising stem cell sources than embryos. The notion that there should be some concern about the moral limits of science is an entirely prudent concern. It is a good thing, not a bad thing.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Stan Shannon]

Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

Yes, perhaps they saw into the future and decided that embryonic research was wrong. They also apparently decided that pocket calculators are an unconstitutional mode of mathematical computation within government schools.

In the US the constitution does not provide for 'government schools'

Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

. Maybe they'll use those little bags of salty water

They are human embryos.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[soap brain]

Stan Shannon wrote:

In the US the constitution does not provide for 'government schools'

OK then, burn them all!

Stan Shannon wrote:

They are human embryos.

Fine, clumps of bags of salty water.

[73Zeppelin]

Stan Shannon wrote:

But making war is a perfectly valid form of government activity and is sanctioned by the constitution. Embryonic research isn't.

Neither is boinking your wife on a Saturday night after a few beers. WTF is your point?