AIM: Another U.N. Scandal: Phony Figures On AIDS [modified]

Ilion

No, I almost never turn on the TV (I'm not even sure I can pick up any channels anymore).

Christian Graus · modified on Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:36 PM

OK, so now you're able to make your case ? What's known is that a lot of men and women in the third world get sick after the men have sex with prostitutes. What disease do you claim is killing them, rather than AIDS ? I mean, I can understand what you're saying, and it seems possible that the funding does not exist for mass testing, and instead they just assume it's AIDS that kills them. I guess if you believe it's another disease, we should talk about what disease that could be, and why no-one has thought to check.

Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.

Lost User

Ilíon wrote:

I'm not even sure I can pick up any channels anymore

Try taking off the tinfoil hat - it might help :)

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Lost User · modified on Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:36 PM

Good morning. What took you so long?

Ilíon wrote:

trying to play "Gotcha" when you're so woefully unprepared.

A search for Africa AIDS statistics exaggerated returned plenty of posts on the inaccuracy of UN AIDS statistics, before I posted asking you substantiate your claims. I am surprised that you could find none later than 2004, as these were on the first page returned: United Nations admits to having exaggerated statistics about AIDS in the world[^] HIV/AIDS Statistics: Misleading?[^] Woefully unprepared? Sorry, no.

Ilíon wrote:

Do you honestly believe things aren't still being done this way today?

You mean: "Do you honestly claim to believe that things aren't still being done this way today?". Well, the UN has had to substantially revise its figures, so my opinion (rather than belief) is that they are probably having to be less alarmist, and take more care with their statistical analyses. But I am open to correction.

Bob Emmett

Oakman

:thumbsup:

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Oakman

Christian Graus wrote:

What disease do you claim is killing them, rather than AIDS

Well, of course it's not AIDS. If you kiddies would only think you'd realise that it's advanced HIV.

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Ilion

I'm always able to make my case -- I make it a habit to know what I'm talking about. You, on the other hand, seem to be incapable of learning.

Ilion

Bob Emmett wrote:

A search for Africa AIDS statistics exaggerated returned plenty of posts on the inaccuracy of UN AIDS statistics, before I posted asking you substantiate your claims. I am surprised that you could find none later than 2004, as these were on the first page returned: United Nations admits to having exaggerated statistics about AIDS in the world[^] HIV/AIDS Statistics: Misleading?[^] Woefully unprepared? Sorry, no.

So, not "woefully unprepared," but rather intellectually dishonest. You knew that what I said was true, and yet you still thought to play "Gotcha."

Bob Emmett wrote:

Good morning. What took you so long? ... I am surprised that you could find none later than 2004, as these were on the first page returned:

My time is not dictated by you kiddies, even were you not intellectually dishonest.

RichardM1

(shiver) I really thought you were troy, up to the last two words.

Silver member by constant and unflinching longevity.

RichardM1

This did not make your case. It pointed out some errors in the data from 5+ years ago. Give us another data point from more recently so we can do at least a linear extrapolation to today. You would not (or at least should not) accept it if I said the AIDS rate was 10% of the population, based on picking a single area where that is the case. Say, the infectious illness ward of a San Fran hospital in the early 90s. I'm not saying you are cherry picking the data, but I am saying you have not shown that you are not.

Ilíon wrote:

I'm always able to make my case

I believe you are always able to make your case. Now, instead of resting on those laurels, go out and actually make it, instead of telling us that we are not capable of understanding it, and therefore not making the effort to enlighten us.

Silver member by constant and unflinching longevity.

Lost User

Ilíon wrote:

You knew that what I said was true

Tout au contraire, old bean. I thought what you said ("And the 'statistics' for AIDS in Africa are as bogus now as then.") was incorrect. I asked you to substantiate the statement, three times.

Bob Emmett wrote:

But 'bogus' implies deliberate falsification, and a claim like that has to be substantiated.

Ilion: Silence.

Bob Emmett wrote:

"Put up or shut up" would be an uncouth response

Ilion: Silly man, the world didn't start yesterday. (:~ Huh?)

Bob Emmett wrote:

You are asked to provide evidence, and you merely resort to insult. That is intellectual dishonesty.

Ilion: You're sad. Ah, the old Ilion silence and insult gambit; why would one pursue the matter further?

Ilíon wrote:

and yet you still thought to play "Gotcha."

But "You knew that what I said was true" implies your belief that my links supported your statement. So how would my posting them be a "Gotcha"? (Oh! An inadvertent "Gotcha", sorry.) Bogus? The figures were inaccurate and exaggerated because of flawed methodologies. But the methodologies were and are in the public domain, and open to scrutiny. That scrutiny has led to the methodologies being revised, and the figures corrected. On the basis of this evidence, my opinion is that the statistics were probably not deliberately falsified, and thus were and are not "bogus". But I am open to correction.

Ilíon wrote:

My time is not dictated by you kiddies

And yet, you seem to need to post to we kiddies. So we are dictating the use of your time.

Bob Emmett

Ilion

The world didn't start yesterday.

Oakman

Ilíon wrote:

The world didn't start yesterday.

Now if only these "children" would learn to think, they'd know it started on October 23, 4004 B.C., right?

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73Zeppelin

Ilíon wrote:

The world didn't start yesterday.

How do you know?

fred_

Ilíon wrote:

The world didn't start yesterday.

define "world" :suss:

Lost User

Ilíon wrote:

The world didn't start yesterday.

So, there is an historical reason for your being evasive when asked to provide the evidence for any statement that you might post. Fair enough.

Bob Emmett

Christian Graus

Ilíon wrote:

You, on the other hand, seem to be incapable of learning.

Apparently. It seems I should learn to accept a single news source of your liking as being obvious and absolute truth. Too bad your 'news source' for today, contradicts this one.

Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.