Obama eschews European Socialism

[Oakman]

Synaptrik wrote:

Its refreshing to see people who supported this with Bush opposed to it with Obama.

I don't think you meant Rob, but it might read to some, as if you did. I agree that there are plenty of flipfloppers out there who, because a different party or philosophy is in power now complain about what they applauded and cheer, what they deplored. The truth, as I see it, is that Obama is simply better at coming up with ways to pick the pockets of our kids than Bush was and yet Obama owes a great debt to Bush for showing him the way.

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[Rob Graham]

Synaptrik wrote:

But I distinctly remember a whole lot of support for Bush's abuse of power. War-time yada yada, Lincoln did it.. yada yada...

I think you are confusing me with either Stan or Red. Obama has already exceeded Bush's reach in many cases. I think the cognitive dissonance might be yours.

[Stan Shannon]

Rob Graham wrote:

I think you are confusing me with either Stan or Red.

I'm certainly not the flip-flopper. I fully support Obama's power grab. Just as I supported Bush's and would have supported Lincoln. That isn't to say I agree with them. But when people get elected they should try to do what they said they would. I hope republicans are taking notes. I blame every abuse of power on congress. They are the one's not doing their jobs.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Rob Graham]

Stan Shannon wrote:

I blame every abuse of power on congress. They are the one's not doing their jobs.

I agree heartily.

[Oakman]

Stan Shannon wrote:

I fully support Obama's power grab. Just as I supported Bush's and would have supported Lincoln.

Mugabe? Chavez? al-Bashir?

Stan Shannon wrote:

But when people get elected they should try to do what they said they would.

The way Lenin did, and Adolph Schicklegruber.

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[Stan Shannon]

I hate to break the news to you, Jon, but social organizataion requires leadership. One would have thought you would have learned that in the Army.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Oakman]

Stan Shannon wrote:

One would have thought you would have learned that in the Army.

I also learned the meaning of "frag him" - always a useful concept when leaders turned out to have graduated CW Post ROTC. ;) Leadership, Stan, is not a synonym for lawbreaking with impugnity. Nor is the concept that the ends justifies the means particularly Jeffersonian.

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[Stan Shannon]

Oakman wrote:

a useful concept when leaders turned out to have graduated CW Post ROTC.

Which is why I'm glad I never had to lead anyone in combat... :~

Oakman wrote:

Leadership, Stan, is not a synonym for lawbreaking with impugnity.

Unless lawbreaking with impugnity is what is required. But, again, that determination is why we have congress. When they say the president is breaking the law with impunity, I will listen. Until then, he can do whatever the hell he pleases for all I care.

Oakman wrote:

Nor is the concept that the ends justifies the means particularly Jeffersonian.

Louisiana.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Oakman]

Stan Shannon wrote:

Which is why I'm glad I never had to lead anyone in combat...

As one field first put it to me, it's easy - just yell "follow me!" and start running - but remember to run towards the black pj's.

Stan Shannon wrote:

When they say the president is breaking the law with impunity

Your faith in Pelosi and Reid is touching. But hardly believable in a man of some intelligence. Kind of like saying, "As soon as the canary swallows the cat, I'll get a dog."

Stan Shannon wrote:

Louisiana.

Good point.

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[Stan Shannon]

Oakman wrote:

Your faith in Pelosi and Reid is touching.

Are you kidding? Pelosi and Reid are two of the most trustworthy people in politics. My faith in them will be amply rewarded, I'm sure.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.