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<blockquote class="FQ"><div class="FQA">Stan Shannon wrote:</div>Neuroscience has not even attempted an explanation aside from 'The brain is made out of neurons. Consciousness is affected by measurable chemical changes to neurons. Therefore, neurons cause consciosness.'</blockquote> Self-awareness and the emergence of mind in primates[^] Neurology and the Mind-Brain Problem[^] The Mind-Brain Relationship[^] Mind, Brain, and Personality Disorders[^] BRIDGING SCIENCE AND VALUES: A UNIFYING VIEW OF MIND AND BRAIN[^] Yeah, nobody has ever even considered studying it. It's all a great big conspiracy.
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Neither do you. If you do, please tell me what it is. Give me a little chemical formula so that I can mix the right chemicals together to generate a couple of gallons of consciousness.
How about I give you the 'chemical formula' for the circulatory system so you can go ahead and make one? Sounds pretty simple, huh. Unless the circulatory system doesn't actually exist! :omg:
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Oh, wait, what is the basic unit of measure of consciousness?
What's the basic unit of measure for happiness? For anger? For sexuality?
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
OK, this is officially new-age pseudoscience.
I know, eh? He's just provided a textbook tautology: redefine consciousness as something obviously outside the realm of empirical, scientific investigation (with absolutely no evidence to back up the definition) - and then proceed to loudly claim that science obviously doesn't have all the answers because it can't explain "consciousness." It'd be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic.
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Synaptrik wrote:
I would take the opposite. Its very fun because it could kill you.
No it isn't. If you thought that there was a very real danger that you were about to die I guarantee you wouldn't be smiling and laughing.
So, "you" define what "I" would smile about or think is fun? Why make a guarantee that you can't back up? It is exactly the thrill of the danger that makes the experience worth it. If everything is always safe and known, it gets boring fast. But hey, we're different personality types. You like explained safe environments, and I prefer mysterious dangerous ones. Enjoy the difference.
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Look. I entertain the possibility that its more than what you describe. I'm entitled to that. I guess, that you are also entitled to calling me whatever cleverly worded insult that you can think of. Apparently though, you have more of a problem with what I think than I have with what you think. Why does it bother you that I entertain the notion that mind and consciousness can be more than just physical? I'm not denying the data you put forth. I just don't call it absolute. "You know who you are" ... not a 12 year old in the school yard trying to feel better about myself by insulting others.
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Synaptrik wrote:
I just don't call it absolute.
And how hard, exactly, have you tried to explain mind/consciousness using the simplest explanation (only physical processes) before coming to this conclusion? Or did you start from the assumption that the brain can't explain it and leave the onus on others to convince you otherwise? Why should that be anyone else's responsibility but yours? Frankly, you seem to be a little confrontational towards anyone who actually takes a stand for their beliefs - be it evidence-based or otherwise (cough like Gary) - so would you rather we all just threw up our hands and said "I DUNNO" so that you're free to never have to defend any of your beliefs? Because it seems like you spend most of your time attacking not the arguments but the temerity of making an argument in the first place. Seems a little childish.
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Synaptrik wrote:
I just don't call it absolute.
And how hard, exactly, have you tried to explain mind/consciousness using the simplest explanation (only physical processes) before coming to this conclusion? Or did you start from the assumption that the brain can't explain it and leave the onus on others to convince you otherwise? Why should that be anyone else's responsibility but yours? Frankly, you seem to be a little confrontational towards anyone who actually takes a stand for their beliefs - be it evidence-based or otherwise (cough like Gary) - so would you rather we all just threw up our hands and said "I DUNNO" so that you're free to never have to defend any of your beliefs? Because it seems like you spend most of your time attacking not the arguments but the temerity of making an argument in the first place. Seems a little childish.
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You really have a problem with me believing what I want don't you? You can't accept that I believe what I do so you attempt to unravel me and/or ridicule me into adopting your view. Well, be a dickhead if you want to. I'll believe what I want. Done.
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You really have a problem with me believing what I want don't you? You can't accept that I believe what I do so you attempt to unravel me and/or ridicule me into adopting your view. Well, be a dickhead if you want to. I'll believe what I want. Done.
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Synaptrik wrote:
You can't accept that I believe what I do so you attempt to unravel me and/or ridicule me into adopting your view.
As far as I can tell, the only belief you've bothered to share is that you believe that nobody should hold an opinion because it might turn out to be wrong (but it's not up to you to show it's wrong). It's like if the Cowardly Lion did a PhD dissertation in philosophy.
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Synaptrik wrote:
You can't accept that I believe what I do so you attempt to unravel me and/or ridicule me into adopting your view.
As far as I can tell, the only belief you've bothered to share is that you believe that nobody should hold an opinion because it might turn out to be wrong (but it's not up to you to show it's wrong). It's like if the Cowardly Lion did a PhD dissertation in philosophy.
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Look in a mirror lately? I've said nothing regarding other's opinions. Nor your facts. I've only maintained that in the face of the data you present I still believe there is more. That's it. You have certainly exhibited behavior you accuse me of. And your attempt to call me a cowardly lion is pathetic. I don't have any names to call you though. So enjoy yet another feeble attempt to insult me. Care to give it another go?
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Look in a mirror lately? I've said nothing regarding other's opinions. Nor your facts. I've only maintained that in the face of the data you present I still believe there is more. That's it. You have certainly exhibited behavior you accuse me of. And your attempt to call me a cowardly lion is pathetic. I don't have any names to call you though. So enjoy yet another feeble attempt to insult me. Care to give it another go?
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