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Is this Obama's Hostage Crisis?

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  • R Rob Graham

    Fox is reporting that Capt. Phillips has been rescued, 3 Pirates dead, 1 Captured.

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    The current news is that the captain jumped over board again creating an opening for US forces.

    Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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      Jimmy Carter - who won more because of the populations anger at the previous administrations than because of his promise never to lie to the American People - lost much of his creditability when staff at the American Embassy in Tehran was taken hostage and the American Military and the Carter Administration were both shown to be woefully unprepared to do anything about it. The one attempt that was made was called off by Carter before it had a chance to fail. For the next three years Carter was ignored by most of the International Players and a large portion of the American public. Now four pirates, armed with AK47's and a limited supply of ammo, are holding off the rapidly massing might of the U.S. Navy. Other criminals are actually ignoring the the US Fleet and attempting to re-enforce and resupply the original pirates, who are drifting towards shore. (The Navy now refuses to even talk about how close they are to land.) If the pirates make it to land and Captain Phillips is subjected to the indignities and incarceration that our embassy staff was, and/or is finally freed because of a ransom paid to these criminals, we will, I believe, be in a positon when, once again, the presumably strongest country in the world is shown to have an indecisive leader (right now the press is wondering if he's made up his mind about where he'll go to church today) unable to confront a direct challenge to the country he is supposed to lead.

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      Gary Kirkham
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      I think the US got exactly what they wanted in Obama, Lord help us. Whatever Bush's fault were, the inability to make a decision (right or wrong) wasn't one of them. I guess I will wait and see what Obama does...he hasn't impressed me thus far.

      Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read

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      • M Mike Gaskey

        The current news is that the captain jumped over board again creating an opening for US forces.

        Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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        Rob Graham
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        The forces had to be close at hand and have permission to go. Carter had forces close, and chickened out (for 3 f'n years).

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        • R Rob Graham

          Fox is reporting that Capt. Phillips has been rescued, 3 Pirates dead, 1 Captured.

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          Lost User
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          That is great news. Well done the guys who planned & executed this, and got Capt. Phillips out alive.

          Bob Emmett

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          • M Mike Gaskey

            The current news is that the captain jumped over board again creating an opening for US forces.

            Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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            Oakman
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            Mike Gaskey wrote:

            The current news is that the captain jumped over board again creating an opening for US forces.

            No questioning the size of Richard Phillips'. And three cheers for everyone in the chain of command who told the Navy not to let another opportunity go by. If that includes Obama - and my guess is that it does - then good on him! Carter continues to stand alone, for which I am grateful.

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            • G Gary Kirkham

              I think the US got exactly what they wanted in Obama, Lord help us. Whatever Bush's fault were, the inability to make a decision (right or wrong) wasn't one of them. I guess I will wait and see what Obama does...he hasn't impressed me thus far.

              Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read

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              Oakman
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              Gary Kirkham wrote:

              he hasn't impressed me thus far.

              As Rob says, credit where credit is due. By the way: if you'll let this old reprobate say it to you: Happy Easter!

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                The forces had to be close at hand and have permission to go. Carter had forces close, and chickened out (for 3 f'n years).

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                I did give proper credit, the captain has balls. Obama has a dog named Bo.

                Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                  Oakman wrote:

                  What I don't understand is where is General Jones in all of this? He should be the point man, if I have any understanding of how the White House is supposed to run.

                  I figure Obama has sought advice from Johnny Depp on dealing with pirates and has the General muzzled in the basement somewhere.

                  Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                  Stan Shannon wrote:

                  I figure Obama has sought advice from Johnny Depp on dealing with pirates

                  ROFL

                  Stan Shannon wrote:

                  General muzzled in the basement somewhere.

                  Maybe not. Semper Fi!

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                  • R Rob Graham

                    Fox is reporting that Capt. Phillips has been rescued, 3 Pirates dead, 1 Captured.

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                    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gSXyAok3YrJTZLKD31SAjC9pfvkgD97H2O480[^]

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                    • R Rob Graham

                      Fox is reporting that Capt. Phillips has been rescued, 3 Pirates dead, 1 Captured.

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                      Stan Shannon
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                      Mission Accomplished.

                      Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                      • M Mike Gaskey

                        I did give proper credit, the captain has balls. Obama has a dog named Bo.

                        Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                        Stan Shannon
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                        Mike Gaskey wrote:

                        Obama has a dog named Bo.

                        And he is probably writing an apology note to the pirates as we speak.

                        Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                        • O Oakman

                          Gary Kirkham wrote:

                          he hasn't impressed me thus far.

                          As Rob says, credit where credit is due. By the way: if you'll let this old reprobate say it to you: Happy Easter!

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                          Oakman wrote:

                          if you'll let this old reprobate say it to you

                          Why would I not? :) Happy Easter to you Jon.

                          Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read

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                          • M Mike Gaskey

                            I did give proper credit, the captain has balls. Obama has a dog named Bo.

                            Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                            So. it turns out the early stories of Capt. Phillips diving over again were jus tmedia invention. Instead if was a planned and set Seal Team kill by snipers. Doesn't reduce in any way Phillip's heroism in the whole scene, but does make you sound like a bad case of sour grapes. I don't agree with most of Obama's politics or actions either, but I am willing to give him credit for having the sense to let the Military do what they could.

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                              So. it turns out the early stories of Capt. Phillips diving over again were jus tmedia invention. Instead if was a planned and set Seal Team kill by snipers. Doesn't reduce in any way Phillip's heroism in the whole scene, but does make you sound like a bad case of sour grapes. I don't agree with most of Obama's politics or actions either, but I am willing to give him credit for having the sense to let the Military do what they could.

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                              Rob Graham wrote:

                              I am willing to give him credit for having the sense to let the Military do what they could.

                              Sometimes the best thing a boss can do is stay the hell out of the way. Obama released control of the Seals and as a result we had what some people are calling a picture-perfect operation. One shot - one kill <- Sniper Motto. Three shots - three kills <- End of Story.

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                                So. it turns out the early stories of Capt. Phillips diving over again were jus tmedia invention. Instead if was a planned and set Seal Team kill by snipers. Doesn't reduce in any way Phillip's heroism in the whole scene, but does make you sound like a bad case of sour grapes. I don't agree with most of Obama's politics or actions either, but I am willing to give him credit for having the sense to let the Military do what they could.

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                                Synaptrik
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                                Even Fox News gave Obama credit last night for a job well done.

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                                  Rob Graham wrote:

                                  I am willing to give him credit for having the sense to let the Military do what they could.

                                  Sometimes the best thing a boss can do is stay the hell out of the way. Obama released control of the Seals and as a result we had what some people are calling a picture-perfect operation. One shot - one kill <- Sniper Motto. Three shots - three kills <- End of Story.

                                  Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                                  Synaptrik
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                                  It must really pain you to credit Obama with anything. Yep, sour grapes, although I expected it more from Mike than you, but maybe your independent stance is a ruse.

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                                    It must really pain you to credit Obama with anything. Yep, sour grapes, although I expected it more from Mike than you, but maybe your independent stance is a ruse.

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                                    Oakman
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                                    Synaptrik wrote:

                                    It must really pain you to credit Obama with anything.

                                    Not at all. I am relieved every time he does something right.

                                    Synaptrik wrote:

                                    Yep, sour grapes,

                                    You could be right. I defended Obama quite vehemently after his election against those who said he was a socialist, inexperienced, and would use the financial crisis as an opportunity to change our way of life. Even after the stimulus package was unveiled, I insisted it was Pelosi, not Obama picking our pockets and that he would not allow it to be such a blatant payback to the Democratic base. I'm sure you can imagine my chagrin as time went on and he turned out to be everything Stan predicted - and more. I really hate having to admit I was wrong - though I can do it which is more than I can say for some posters. So, perhaps it is a little hard for me to give him credit these days. I tend to follow the old maxim about "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." Nonetheless, there's no doubt about it, the operation was a success and everyone in the chain of command deserves kudos.

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                                      Synaptrik wrote:

                                      It must really pain you to credit Obama with anything.

                                      Not at all. I am relieved every time he does something right.

                                      Synaptrik wrote:

                                      Yep, sour grapes,

                                      You could be right. I defended Obama quite vehemently after his election against those who said he was a socialist, inexperienced, and would use the financial crisis as an opportunity to change our way of life. Even after the stimulus package was unveiled, I insisted it was Pelosi, not Obama picking our pockets and that he would not allow it to be such a blatant payback to the Democratic base. I'm sure you can imagine my chagrin as time went on and he turned out to be everything Stan predicted - and more. I really hate having to admit I was wrong - though I can do it which is more than I can say for some posters. So, perhaps it is a little hard for me to give him credit these days. I tend to follow the old maxim about "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." Nonetheless, there's no doubt about it, the operation was a success and everyone in the chain of command deserves kudos.

                                      Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                                      Fair enough. I'll admit also he's doing things I disagree with as well. But I didn't vote for him. :suss:

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