Further small victories
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oilFactotum wrote:
Neither you nor I can possibly know the motives of the millions of people who support investigations.
Sorry. The way you went on and on about the rule of law and the way you have pretty much told Stan that because he disagrees with you, he does not support the rule of law, I got the impression that you could read people like a book, or at least think you do.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
The way you went on and on about the rule of law
I have indeed. Don't see how that translates to motives.
Oakman wrote:
you have pretty much told Stan that because he disagrees with you, he does not support the rule of law,
Wrong again. I said he does not support the rule of law because he pretty much said so [^]
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John Carson wrote:
One takes for granted a large measure of partisan motivation.
90%? More?
John Carson wrote:
Opposition to torture has been a defining feature of Western and civilised values for my entire life.
You must be very disappointed by the real world. Your large neighbor to the north conducts torture daily. North Vietnam did it. So did North Korea, and NAZI Germany and Japan. But you did say, "western." I am relatively sure that most western powers (not just Germany) have - as you suggest - used torture when they thought it would bring results. It is my understand that the French use it now, though I have only oral reports to rely on.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
You must be very disappointed by the real world.
Yes I am, though the passing of the years has promoted a greater acceptance than when I was younger.
Oakman wrote:
You must be very disappointed by the real world. Your large neighbor to the north conducts torture daily. North Vietnam did it. So did North Korea, and NAZI Germany and Japan. But you did say, "western."
Yeah. I also said "for my entire life". Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were before I was born.
Oakman wrote:
It is my understand that the French use it now, though I have only oral reports to rely on.
That may be true, though it is, as I said, "in the shadows".
John Carson
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Oakman wrote:
The way you went on and on about the rule of law
I have indeed. Don't see how that translates to motives.
Oakman wrote:
you have pretty much told Stan that because he disagrees with you, he does not support the rule of law,
Wrong again. I said he does not support the rule of law because he pretty much said so [^]
oilFactotum wrote:
Don't see how that translates to motives.
You really don't, do you. :sigh: Well, 'tis not my job to explain the world to you.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Oakman wrote:
You must be very disappointed by the real world.
Yes I am, though the passing of the years has promoted a greater acceptance than when I was younger.
Oakman wrote:
You must be very disappointed by the real world. Your large neighbor to the north conducts torture daily. North Vietnam did it. So did North Korea, and NAZI Germany and Japan. But you did say, "western."
Yeah. I also said "for my entire life". Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were before I was born.
Oakman wrote:
It is my understand that the French use it now, though I have only oral reports to rely on.
That may be true, though it is, as I said, "in the shadows".
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were before I was born
damn kid. :mad:
John Carson wrote:
That may be true, though it is, as I said, "in the shadows".
Which is pretty much where Obama could have left it.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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John Carson wrote:
Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were before I was born
damn kid. :mad:
John Carson wrote:
That may be true, though it is, as I said, "in the shadows".
Which is pretty much where Obama could have left it.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
Which is pretty much where Obama could have left it.
I think it was out of the shadows long before he was elected. In fact, given the widespread nature and the extent of the official sanctioning of the interrogation techniques, I think it was out of the shadows when it was first conceived.
John Carson
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oilFactotum wrote:
Don't see how that translates to motives.
You really don't, do you. :sigh: Well, 'tis not my job to explain the world to you.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Sorry bud, but you're nonsense is not wisdom.
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Oakman wrote:
Which is pretty much where Obama could have left it.
I think it was out of the shadows long before he was elected. In fact, given the widespread nature and the extent of the official sanctioning of the interrogation techniques, I think it was out of the shadows when it was first conceived.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
I think it was out of the shadows long before he was elected
Not according to Nancy Pelosi, et al. It appears that most of the Senators and Representatives first learned of it a few weeks ago. They are all pinning their hopes on plausible denialability - which Obama has taken away from them. (Including Nancy. If you believe the Speaker of the House/Chairman of the Intelligence Committee didn't know what was going on, I have a bridge you might like to buy.)
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Sorry bud, but you're nonsense is not wisdom.
oilFactotum wrote:
Sorry bud, but you're nonsense is not wisdom.
On the other hand, my spelling of "your" is education. I'm done - find someone else to troll. Maybe Stan will play some more.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin