Ford or an import
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I currently own a 2008 Pacifica (I love it, it is my 2nd), a 1998 Saturn coupe (again, I love it, my 2nd) and a restored 1977 MGB. Now that the government and the union will own both GM and Chrysler it is a forgone conclusion (mine) that the vehicles of the future from these two organizations will be crap mobiles. I simply will not purchase one of these, but I wish them luck.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
The last GM (Holden) car we had was an '07 Astra built in Korea. Worst fucking car I've ever driven. When the baby came along last year we bought a new German built VW Passat diesel wagon which is by far the best car I've ever owned. Given the choice I'll stick with German cars in future.
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The last GM (Holden) car we had was an '07 Astra built in Korea. Worst fucking car I've ever driven. When the baby came along last year we bought a new German built VW Passat diesel wagon which is by far the best car I've ever owned. Given the choice I'll stick with German cars in future.
An Astra ? What did you expect ? :P
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "I am new to programming world. I have been learning c# for about past four weeks. I am quite acquainted with the fundamentals of c#. Now I have to work on a project which converts given flat files to XML using the XML serialization method" - SK64 ( but the forums have stuff like this posted every day )
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The last GM (Holden) car we had was an '07 Astra built in Korea. Worst fucking car I've ever driven. When the baby came along last year we bought a new German built VW Passat diesel wagon which is by far the best car I've ever owned. Given the choice I'll stick with German cars in future.
Josh Gray wrote:
The last GM (Holden) car we had was an '07 Astra built in Korea.
On the other hand the last one I owned was a Chevrolet Prizm - which was a Toyota Corolla Sprinter with a Chevy nameplate. I guess when you're buying rebranded cars, you aren't buying GM.
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An Astra ? What did you expect ? :P
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "I am new to programming world. I have been learning c# for about past four weeks. I am quite acquainted with the fundamentals of c#. Now I have to work on a project which converts given flat files to XML using the XML serialization method" - SK64 ( but the forums have stuff like this posted every day )
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Josh Gray wrote:
The last GM (Holden) car we had was an '07 Astra built in Korea.
On the other hand the last one I owned was a Chevrolet Prizm - which was a Toyota Corolla Sprinter with a Chevy nameplate. I guess when you're buying rebranded cars, you aren't buying GM.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
I guess when you're buying rebranded cars, you aren't buying GM.
But it was a GM car, originally designed by Opal I think. From what I understand it was designed to a price point and around the limitations of the Korean manufacturing facility.
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An Astra ? What did you expect ? :P
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "I am new to programming world. I have been learning c# for about past four weeks. I am quite acquainted with the fundamentals of c#. Now I have to work on a project which converts given flat files to XML using the XML serialization method" - SK64 ( but the forums have stuff like this posted every day )
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The last GM (Holden) car we had was an '07 Astra built in Korea. Worst fucking car I've ever driven. When the baby came along last year we bought a new German built VW Passat diesel wagon which is by far the best car I've ever owned. Given the choice I'll stick with German cars in future.
Josh Gray wrote:
The last GM (Holden) car we had was an '07 Astra built in Korea.
Isn't that an Opel? ie a German automaker.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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Oakman wrote:
I guess when you're buying rebranded cars, you aren't buying GM.
But it was a GM car, originally designed by Opal I think. From what I understand it was designed to a price point and around the limitations of the Korean manufacturing facility.
Josh Gray wrote:
But it was a GM car, originally designed by Opal I think
Like I said - I bought a rebranded car and your experience was nothing at all like mine. ;)
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Josh Gray wrote:
But it was a GM car, originally designed by Opal I think
Like I said - I bought a rebranded car and your experience was nothing at all like mine. ;)
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Josh Gray wrote:
The last GM (Holden) car we had was an '07 Astra built in Korea.
Isn't that an Opel? ie a German automaker.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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Oakman wrote:
Like I said - I bought a rebranded car and your experience was nothing at all like mine.
Yeah 'cause Toyota know how to build a car. I must admit I do find it amusing to see them winning Nascar
We drive a Prius and a Hilux, both good cars.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "I am new to programming world. I have been learning c# for about past four weeks. I am quite acquainted with the fundamentals of c#. Now I have to work on a project which converts given flat files to XML using the XML serialization method" - SK64 ( but the forums have stuff like this posted every day )
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My wife and I just ordered a new ford fusion. I figured a nuclear powered car for under 30,000 sounded like a good deal.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
My wife and I just ordered a new ford fusion
Spring for the new hybrid or is that too liberal for you?
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke
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Chris Austin wrote:
Isn't that an Opel? ie a German automaker.
A German subsidiarity of GM
:laugh: Yeah but Chrysler was a subsidiary of Benz and they never stopped sucking.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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We drive a Prius and a Hilux, both good cars.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "I am new to programming world. I have been learning c# for about past four weeks. I am quite acquainted with the fundamentals of c#. Now I have to work on a project which converts given flat files to XML using the XML serialization method" - SK64 ( but the forums have stuff like this posted every day )
Christian Graus wrote:
We drive a Prius and a Hilux, both good cars.
I've got a 15 year old 4Runner which is basically the same chassis as the Hilux. The truck runs like the day we picked it up.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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Stan Shannon wrote:
My wife and I just ordered a new ford fusion
Spring for the new hybrid or is that too liberal for you?
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke
I'm a proud denizen of the Real Soapbox[^]
ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!!!We would have gotten the hybrid but we needed all wheel drive and the hybrid doesn't come with AWD. But we did get the fusion because it was the most fuel efficient AWd we could find in our price range.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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I currently own a 2008 Pacifica (I love it, it is my 2nd), a 1998 Saturn coupe (again, I love it, my 2nd) and a restored 1977 MGB. Now that the government and the union will own both GM and Chrysler it is a forgone conclusion (mine) that the vehicles of the future from these two organizations will be crap mobiles. I simply will not purchase one of these, but I wish them luck.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Just changed my Subaru.... for a Subaru :cool:
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Just changed my Subaru.... for a Subaru :cool:
Le Centriste wrote:
a Subaru
great vehicles. my brother had one for 11 years, damned thing wouldn't stop running. he ultimately traded it in just because he was tired of looking at it.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Le Centriste wrote:
a Subaru
great vehicles. my brother had one for 11 years, damned thing wouldn't stop running. he ultimately traded it in just because he was tired of looking at it.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
I was very happy with mine, but I was tired of the manual transmission and the turbocharged engine was a gas-guzzler (Forester). I changed for an Impreza, regular engine.