American Thinker: Why the Law is Foreign to Ginsberg
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American Thinker: Why the Law is Foreign to Ginsberg[^]
And this is why some of us have likened our Supreme Court to a de facto oligarchy. After all, on what basis does an oligarchy rule? Its members decide guided by nothing more than the dictates of their own consciences. So people can put as much lipstick on this pig as they want. They can wrap their living-document legal philosophy in a million pseudo-intellectual arguments. But, at the end of the day, it boils down to might makes right. When justices depart from constitutional constraints, they cannot be voted out of office or fired. The only thing constraining them then is their own consciences and the regard of their overseas peers -- just as with an oligarchy Just as Jefferson first observed. Why can a lower court not say, "Well, sure, the Supreme Court ruled that way five years ago, but times are a-changin' fast. The law has a different meaning today"? If the Black Robes won't be constrained by the Constitution, why should others be constrained by their unconstitutional precedents? Indeed.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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And this is why some of us have likened our Supreme Court to a de facto oligarchy. After all, on what basis does an oligarchy rule? Its members decide guided by nothing more than the dictates of their own consciences. So people can put as much lipstick on this pig as they want. They can wrap their living-document legal philosophy in a million pseudo-intellectual arguments. But, at the end of the day, it boils down to might makes right. When justices depart from constitutional constraints, they cannot be voted out of office or fired. The only thing constraining them then is their own consciences and the regard of their overseas peers -- just as with an oligarchy Just as Jefferson first observed. Why can a lower court not say, "Well, sure, the Supreme Court ruled that way five years ago, but times are a-changin' fast. The law has a different meaning today"? If the Black Robes won't be constrained by the Constitution, why should others be constrained by their unconstitutional precedents? Indeed.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
When justices depart from constitutional constraints, they cannot be voted out of office or fired.
I thought they could be impeached.
Stan Shannon wrote:
And this is why some of us have likened our Supreme Court to a de facto oligarchy. After all, on what basis does an oligarchy rule? Its members decide guided by nothing more than the dictates of their own consciences. So people can put as much lipstick on this pig as they want. They can wrap their living-document legal philosophy in a million pseudo-intellectual arguments. But, at the end of the day, it boils down to might makes right. When justices depart from constitutional constraints, they cannot be voted out of office or fired. The only thing constraining them then is their own consciences and the regard of their overseas peers -- just as with an oligarchy
As usual, you play both sides of the street, defending the rule of law when it suits your political purposes and disregarding it when it doesn't. All you really care about is power for your side.
John Carson
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Stan Shannon wrote:
When justices depart from constitutional constraints, they cannot be voted out of office or fired.
I thought they could be impeached.
Stan Shannon wrote:
And this is why some of us have likened our Supreme Court to a de facto oligarchy. After all, on what basis does an oligarchy rule? Its members decide guided by nothing more than the dictates of their own consciences. So people can put as much lipstick on this pig as they want. They can wrap their living-document legal philosophy in a million pseudo-intellectual arguments. But, at the end of the day, it boils down to might makes right. When justices depart from constitutional constraints, they cannot be voted out of office or fired. The only thing constraining them then is their own consciences and the regard of their overseas peers -- just as with an oligarchy
As usual, you play both sides of the street, defending the rule of law when it suits your political purposes and disregarding it when it doesn't. All you really care about is power for your side.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
I thought they could be impeached.
Of course they can be impeached. In fact, I fully expect Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito to be impeached.
John Carson wrote:
As usual, you play both sides of the street, defending the rule of law when it suits your political purposes and disregarding it when it doesn't. All you really care about is power for your side.
I want the government of my country to function as intended by those who created it and as understood by those who have fought and died in its defense. And, yes, I want all the power possible to make that happen. However, the irony of someone on your side complaining about that is staggering, considering that Souter, a republican appointed judge, waited for a democrat government to assume power before resigning.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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John Carson wrote:
I thought they could be impeached.
Of course they can be impeached. In fact, I fully expect Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito to be impeached.
John Carson wrote:
As usual, you play both sides of the street, defending the rule of law when it suits your political purposes and disregarding it when it doesn't. All you really care about is power for your side.
I want the government of my country to function as intended by those who created it and as understood by those who have fought and died in its defense. And, yes, I want all the power possible to make that happen. However, the irony of someone on your side complaining about that is staggering, considering that Souter, a republican appointed judge, waited for a democrat government to assume power before resigning.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Of course they can be impeached.
Isn't that being "voted out of office or fired"?
Stan Shannon wrote:
In fact, I fully expect Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito to be impeached.
When pigs fly.
Stan Shannon wrote:
I want the government of my country to function as intended by those who created it and as understood by those who have fought and died in its defense.
So it is up to people who died up to 200 years ago to determine how the country should be governed. I take it you don't believe in democracy then?
John Carson
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Of course they can be impeached.
Isn't that being "voted out of office or fired"?
Stan Shannon wrote:
In fact, I fully expect Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito to be impeached.
When pigs fly.
Stan Shannon wrote:
I want the government of my country to function as intended by those who created it and as understood by those who have fought and died in its defense.
So it is up to people who died up to 200 years ago to determine how the country should be governed. I take it you don't believe in democracy then?
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
So it is up to people who died up to 200 years ago to determine how the country should be governed. I take it you don't believe in democracy then?
your criticism doesn't speak well for your rule of law comment. our nation is governed by our Constituition, not men who died 200 years ago. the Constituition doesn't change or evolve except through a defined amendment process.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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John Carson wrote:
I thought they could be impeached.
Of course they can be impeached. In fact, I fully expect Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito to be impeached.
John Carson wrote:
As usual, you play both sides of the street, defending the rule of law when it suits your political purposes and disregarding it when it doesn't. All you really care about is power for your side.
I want the government of my country to function as intended by those who created it and as understood by those who have fought and died in its defense. And, yes, I want all the power possible to make that happen. However, the irony of someone on your side complaining about that is staggering, considering that Souter, a republican appointed judge, waited for a democrat government to assume power before resigning.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote: as understood by those who have fought and died in its defense. Don't make me laugh! As someone who fought for it and made others die for their country, I want to assure you that you don't speak for me. The paranoia you display in this thread has absolutely nothing to do with patriotism, the values the U.S. has always stood for, or what the Founding fathers intended. You never saw combat and your good buddy Ilion hid out in the sewer when he had his chance to serve his country, while the people you two belittle did see service under the most dangerous conditions.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Stan Shannon wrote: as understood by those who have fought and died in its defense. Don't make me laugh! As someone who fought for it and made others die for their country, I want to assure you that you don't speak for me. The paranoia you display in this thread has absolutely nothing to do with patriotism, the values the U.S. has always stood for, or what the Founding fathers intended. You never saw combat and your good buddy Ilion hid out in the sewer when he had his chance to serve his country, while the people you two belittle did see service under the most dangerous conditions.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Stan Shannon wrote: as understood by those who have fought and died in its defense. Don't make me laugh! As someone who fought for it and made others die for their country, I want to assure you that you don't speak for me. The paranoia you display in this thread has absolutely nothing to do with patriotism, the values the U.S. has always stood for, or what the Founding fathers intended. You never saw combat and your good buddy Ilion hid out in the sewer when he had his chance to serve his country, while the people you two belittle did see service under the most dangerous conditions.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Wow. You need to get more sleep or get laid. I went back to see if I could find Stan's: paranoia, his crapping on U.S. values, etc. and could find nothing of the sort.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Of course they can be impeached.
Isn't that being "voted out of office or fired"?
Stan Shannon wrote:
In fact, I fully expect Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito to be impeached.
When pigs fly.
Stan Shannon wrote:
I want the government of my country to function as intended by those who created it and as understood by those who have fought and died in its defense.
So it is up to people who died up to 200 years ago to determine how the country should be governed. I take it you don't believe in democracy then?
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
Isn't that being "voted out of office or fired"?
John Carson wrote:
When pigs fly.
Precisely, and thank you.
John Carson wrote:
So it is up to people who died up to 200 years ago to determine how the country should be governed. I take it you don't believe in democracy then?
I don't believe in democracy. I believe in the constitutional republic that people have been fighting and dieing for since its inception.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote: as understood by those who have fought and died in its defense. Don't make me laugh! As someone who fought for it and made others die for their country, I want to assure you that you don't speak for me. The paranoia you display in this thread has absolutely nothing to do with patriotism, the values the U.S. has always stood for, or what the Founding fathers intended. You never saw combat and your good buddy Ilion hid out in the sewer when he had his chance to serve his country, while the people you two belittle did see service under the most dangerous conditions.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
As someone who fought for it and made others die for their country, I want to assure you that you don't speak for me.
As a matter of fact, I do. You fought for the country as it existed at the time you fought for it. Those are the values you took human lives to defend.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Wow. You need to get more sleep or get laid. I went back to see if I could find Stan's: paranoia, his crapping on U.S. values, etc. and could find nothing of the sort.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
I'm not sure that Oak can really be blamed. He's got an auto-lock on Stan and Illion and the mere existance of a post from them causes Oak's reflexive nature to kick in and override cognitive reasoning. Of course, I'm now immune thanks to Diego's script. Yippeee!
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I'm not sure that Oak can really be blamed. He's got an auto-lock on Stan and Illion and the mere existance of a post from them causes Oak's reflexive nature to kick in and override cognitive reasoning. Of course, I'm now immune thanks to Diego's script. Yippeee!
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Synaptrik wrote:
I'm not sure that Oak can really be blamed.
I understand, but geez it would be a small show of decency to restrict comments to what was actually said. ya think? I still think he needs to get laid.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Wow. You need to get more sleep or get laid. I went back to see if I could find Stan's: paranoia, his crapping on U.S. values, etc. and could find nothing of the sort.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote: Wow. You need to get more sleep or get laid Got 9 hours last night and getting more sex than I ever did when I was married, but thanks for worrying. When Stan says he expects the entire conservative group of the Supremes to be impeached, Mike, that's paranoia. When he wraps his hopes for the destruction of America - if you don't think he's hoping for it, you haven't been reading his posts - in the flag he's crapping on American values. He doesn't speak for me, and he doesn't speak for the combat vets I know.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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John Carson wrote:
So it is up to people who died up to 200 years ago to determine how the country should be governed. I take it you don't believe in democracy then?
your criticism doesn't speak well for your rule of law comment. our nation is governed by our Constituition, not men who died 200 years ago. the Constituition doesn't change or evolve except through a defined amendment process.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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I'm not sure that Oak can really be blamed. He's got an auto-lock on Stan and Illion and the mere existance of a post from them causes Oak's reflexive nature to kick in and override cognitive reasoning. Of course, I'm now immune thanks to Diego's script. Yippeee!
This statement is false
Synaptrik wrote:
I'm not sure that Oak can really be blamed. He's got an auto-lock on Stan and Illion and the mere existance of a post from them causes Oak's reflexive nature to kick in and override cognitive reasoning.
You don't say? What a shock that is!
Synaptrik wrote:
Of course, I'm now immune thanks to Diego's script. Yippeee!
You don't say? :laugh: What a shock that is!
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Mike Gaskey wrote: Wow. You need to get more sleep or get laid Got 9 hours last night and getting more sex than I ever did when I was married, but thanks for worrying. When Stan says he expects the entire conservative group of the Supremes to be impeached, Mike, that's paranoia. When he wraps his hopes for the destruction of America - if you don't think he's hoping for it, you haven't been reading his posts - in the flag he's crapping on American values. He doesn't speak for me, and he doesn't speak for the combat vets I know.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
When Stan says he expects the entire conservative group of the Supremes to be impeached, Mike, that's paranoia.
or prescient. I started listening to Glenn Beck two years ago and said the same thing. Beck was predicting the precise financial meltdown we see today, but I thought he was being paranoid. I don't think it possible to over estimate the extremes that the Obama administration would go to to implement their agenda and it absolutely pays to examine those extremes.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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kmg365 wrote:
So you disagree with his post?
Do "trolls" even *have* beliefs? And, if they do, how could anyone ever know it, given their propensity to assert (I did not say "argue") 'A' one minute and 'not-A' another?
Ilíon wrote:
Do "trolls" even *have* beliefs?
I wouldn't know, but why don't you tell us...you know, the horses mouth and all that...
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Oakman wrote:
When Stan says he expects the entire conservative group of the Supremes to be impeached, Mike, that's paranoia.
or prescient. I started listening to Glenn Beck two years ago and said the same thing. Beck was predicting the precise financial meltdown we see today, but I thought he was being paranoid. I don't think it possible to over estimate the extremes that the Obama administration would go to to implement their agenda and it absolutely pays to examine those extremes.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote: Beck was predicting the precise financial meltdown we see today, but I thought he was being paranoid. Hell, I started predicting the housing-market collapse in 2004. I was getting pissed because it was behind schedule. Zep was talking about Credit Derivatives being poison in 2007. This wasn't being prescient, but simply reading a bit more as, I presume, Beck did. If Stan had produced even one shred of evidence for his claim that the Conservatives would be impeached, then perhaps you could offer him a Swami's Headwrap, but he was just talking shit, as he has admitted he will do, just to hear himself put down Obama. Normally I try to ignore him when he gets like that, but it was his presuming to wrap himself in a flag and claiming that he spoke for those who fought and died beside me that made me call him out. he hasn't earned the right to speak for anyone except rear echelon mother fuckers and cowards like Ilion If the strength of my response offended you, I apologise to you. In the future I'll try to be more like no-drama Obama, knowing how much you admire him ;) Mike Gaskey wrote: the extremes that the Obama administration Mebbe so. But even though he and Pelosi might get a simple majority in the H of R, I am quite sure he could not get the 2/3rds vote he needs in the Senate. Hell, I don't think he could hold all 60 Democratic votes. Ben Nelson, for one, would bolt.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin