Nudity, sin or not?
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Simple question really: In your humble opinion do you think it is wrong/sinful/evil/degrading to see another person - a stranger or someone who is not your wife/husband/lover/family - in the nude? Do you think it leads to harmful thoughts or actions, perversions or other wrongful states? Obviously the question is relevant to seeing nudity in moderation. Anything taken to an obsession is harmful. Now currently in society we are still at the stage where there are those of us who do view the nude form but will vehemently deny it, even describe it as "digusting" just to avoid embarrasement, ridicule or stern words from others (who often are just doing what you are doing because it is the done thing.) So if thats you rather not reply to this, or just be honest and tell the truth. And while it would be nice to not bring religion into this, I realise that cannot be done as if your religion says something and you are faithful then that is how you live and think, personal opinion is not an option.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: And while it would be nice to not bring religion into this, I realise that cannot be done as if your religion says something and you are faithful then that is how you live and think, personal opinion is not an option. Something that I like to point out whenever someone gets into a religious argument is that if you read Genesis, it's blatantly obvious that God wanted Man to go around naked. It was the Devil (working through the snake) that caused the whole apple incident that made Man ashamed of what God gave them. In other words, Christians wear clothes because the devil told them to :-D (Of course this is meant to be flamebait, so please don't take offence if you're reading this!) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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Shog9 wrote: you've really got a thing for the older women, don't you! I know I have. Mind you, I have a thing for younger women too. Hey, I'm 20.
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SIMON WALTON
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Mazdak wrote: Maybe I think it is shameful Shameful to who (the naked person or the viewer?), and why? I am by no means the worlds greatest looking guy, but I am not ashamed of my body. It is mine and of my making and to be ashamed of it would simply be undermining to me. It reflects my habits and ways in life, and if there is anything to be ashamed of, it is those habits and ways of life, not the flesh result of them. My girlfriend has a beautiful body and has nothing to be ashamed of. How does another viewing it confer shame to anyone? I am just curious :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMaybe it would take something special away from the relationship you share The following statement about your geekness is true. The previous statement about your geekness is not true. -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/IT/P d- s: a- C++++$ UL+>++++ P+ L++$ E- W+++$ N !o K+ w++$ O---- M-- PS- PE Y+ PGP--- t !5 X- tv b+++ DI++ D+ G++ e++>e+++ h--- r+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
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Paul Watson wrote: And while it would be nice to not bring religion into this, I realise that cannot be done as if your religion says something and you are faithful then that is how you live and think, personal opinion is not an option. Something that I like to point out whenever someone gets into a religious argument is that if you read Genesis, it's blatantly obvious that God wanted Man to go around naked. It was the Devil (working through the snake) that caused the whole apple incident that made Man ashamed of what God gave them. In other words, Christians wear clothes because the devil told them to :-D (Of course this is meant to be flamebait, so please don't take offence if you're reading this!) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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benjymous wrote: In other words, Christians wear clothes because the devil told them to hehe - tell the Joehovahs that next time they come knocking! ;P Anna :rose: "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschAnna :) wrote: hehe - tell the Joehovahs that next time they come knocking! Be careful, they may take it to heart and disrobe on your doorstep! ;P
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa -
Maybe it would take something special away from the relationship you share The following statement about your geekness is true. The previous statement about your geekness is not true. -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/IT/P d- s: a- C++++$ UL+>++++ P+ L++$ E- W+++$ N !o K+ w++$ O---- M-- PS- PE Y+ PGP--- t !5 X- tv b+++ DI++ D+ G++ e++>e+++ h--- r+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
Megan Forbes wrote: Maybe it would take something special away from the relationship you share I do not posess her nor she I. Our relationship is a mutual, loving arrangement and no one else can take anything away from it that we do not give away voluntarily. If she did a photo shoot for some girlie magazine and the whole world saw her, I would not feel cheated, ashamed or even value her less. It is her decision, her body, her life. Megan Forbes wrote: -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Everything from C++ to HTML UL elements to PGP in there hehe.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
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Anna :) wrote: hehe - tell the Joehovahs that next time they come knocking! Be careful, they may take it to heart and disrobe on your doorstep! ;P
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: Be careful, they may take it to heart and disrobe on your doorstep! That wouldn't shock me one bit...but if I returned the favour I'm sure they'd run a mile! :omg: Anna :rose: "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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Reverend Stan wrote: I don't know of any religious text which mandates uncategorically that "Thou shall not look upon a naked human body or surely thou shalt burn in hell for all eternity". So then why (and I pick Christianity because it is the religion I am closest to in my daily life) do Christians (preachers, followers etc.) preach that it is so wrong? Where do they get it from? Have they mangled the meaning behind Adam and Eve covering up? Is it just yet another example of Christianity being abused by us?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaWell certainly the Bible alludes to the impropriety of nudity. But, for example, there is no 11th commandment - "Thou shalt not view your neighbor naked" I think the problem from a religious perspective is that the nudity is usually presented in a sexual and not an artistic context. It is the sexual aspect of the state of nudity that is objected to, not the nudity itself. I've certainly never heard a preacher say that it is a sin to look at Michaelangelo's (sp?) 'David', for example. Again, society might have a vested interest in prohibiting nudity for reasons which have nothing to do with religion - think of all the pubic hairs you would find in your french fries if everyone went around naked! I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
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Paul Watson wrote: Simple question really: In your humble opinion do you think it is wrong/sinful/evil/degrading to see another person - a stranger or someone who is not your wife/husband/lover/family - in the nude? Do you think it leads to harmful thoughts or actions, perversions or other wrongful states? Obviously the question is relevant to seeing nudity in moderation. Anything taken to an obsession is harmful. Not at all. I don't think there's anything wrong with being seen nude - but if seeing me nude (even if accidentally) upset someone, then I'd feel bad. Most people will just laugh it off, which is exactly the way it should be. I've no problem whatsoever with being nude in front of someone (a girlfriend for example) who wouldn't take it the wrong way. Paul Watson wrote: Now currently in society we are still at the stage where there are those of us who do view the nude form but will vehemently deny it, even describe it as "digusting" just to avoid embarrasement, ridicule or stern words from others (who often are just doing what you are doing because it is the done thing.) So if thats you rather not reply to this, or just be honest and tell the truth. I think this is a sign of the way Society is evolving - and each country/region is different in that regard. Certainly, I don't hear words like "disgusting" used about nudity here very often! One day I hope that people will have less hangups about things like this so we can focus on the real problems in our society - IMHO greed, poverty and violence are tolerated way too much in the world today. :(( Paul Watson wrote: And while it would be nice to not bring religion into this, I realise that cannot be done as if your religion says something and you are faithful then that is how you live and think, personal opinion is not an option. What can be sinful is what the observer feels/thinks - Jesus made it quite clear that to think "lustful thoughts" thoughts was the same as sleeping with someone. If you're married, that's adultery. I've often wondered if His guidance in this and other similar matters was aimed at making society more stable. Viewed in that context it all makes sense (so long as we remember that we're speculating - none of us can know the mind of God). Anna :rose: "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschAnna :) wrote: Jesus made it quite clear that to think "lustful thoughts" thoughts was the same as sleeping with someone. If you're married, that's adultery. Wow, glad I am not a Christian then. If I was I would have to say 500 hail maries every time I stepped out the front door. :rolleyes: I am 22, my hormones are still not settled and it is nigh on impossible not to imagine other women in various stages of undress. I don't see how that is a sin though. Anna :) wrote: who wouldn't take it the wrong way. You mean wrong way as in take it sexually? I agree there that we are all so tied up with clothing and sexual desires that it is hard for a woman and man to be naked together and not have some un-platonic thoughts :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
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Well certainly the Bible alludes to the impropriety of nudity. But, for example, there is no 11th commandment - "Thou shalt not view your neighbor naked" I think the problem from a religious perspective is that the nudity is usually presented in a sexual and not an artistic context. It is the sexual aspect of the state of nudity that is objected to, not the nudity itself. I've certainly never heard a preacher say that it is a sin to look at Michaelangelo's (sp?) 'David', for example. Again, society might have a vested interest in prohibiting nudity for reasons which have nothing to do with religion - think of all the pubic hairs you would find in your french fries if everyone went around naked! I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
Reverend Stan wrote: Well certainly the Bible alludes to the impropriety of nudity I hope in Bible 2.0 they take all the "up to interpretation" bits and clarify them. "Thou shalt ipsum dole lore" is much better for us humans than "In song and dance Jesus alluded to ipsum dole lore." :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa -
Anna :) wrote: hehe - tell the Joehovahs that next time they come knocking! Be careful, they may take it to heart and disrobe on your doorstep! ;P
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaThen you can call the police :) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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Anna :) wrote: Jesus made it quite clear that to think "lustful thoughts" thoughts was the same as sleeping with someone. If you're married, that's adultery. Wow, glad I am not a Christian then. If I was I would have to say 500 hail maries every time I stepped out the front door. :rolleyes: I am 22, my hormones are still not settled and it is nigh on impossible not to imagine other women in various stages of undress. I don't see how that is a sin though. Anna :) wrote: who wouldn't take it the wrong way. You mean wrong way as in take it sexually? I agree there that we are all so tied up with clothing and sexual desires that it is hard for a woman and man to be naked together and not have some un-platonic thoughts :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: Wow, glad I am not a Christian then. If I was I would have to say 500 hail maries every time I stepped out the front door. You're confusing Catholicism (a creed) with Christianity (a Faith). Personally, I doubt saying anything matters unless you feel it. God isn't dumb, but He does understand we're imperfect. Paul Watson wrote: I am 22, my hormones are still not settled and it is nigh on impossible not to imagine other women in various stages of undress. I don't see how that is a sin though. I know what it's like- I've been there. Strange but true. :eek: Anna :rose: "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: I'll send you my address so you can send me naked pictures of your mom. Just look for "Mary" at http://www.sexymothersof1337h4x0rz.com[^]. Don't laugh, she bought me my h4x0r tools from that money.
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SIMON WALTON
SONORK ID 100.10024Simon Walton wrote: Don't laugh, she bought me my h4x0r tools from that money. ROFLMAO!!! :laugh: Oh wait, I wasn't supposed to do that. Oops. :-O Jeremy Falcon Imputek "In fact it is quite simple, men and women both only want one thing - what they can't have!" - phykell
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Megan Forbes wrote: Maybe it would take something special away from the relationship you share I do not posess her nor she I. Our relationship is a mutual, loving arrangement and no one else can take anything away from it that we do not give away voluntarily. If she did a photo shoot for some girlie magazine and the whole world saw her, I would not feel cheated, ashamed or even value her less. It is her decision, her body, her life. Megan Forbes wrote: -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Everything from C++ to HTML UL elements to PGP in there hehe.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaWow. I kind of regard my husbands body as sacred, but it's really cool how many different people there are in the world! The following statement about your geekness is true. The previous statement about your geekness is not true. -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/IT/P d- s: a- C++++$ UL+>++++ P+ L++$ E- W+++$ N !o K+ w++$ O---- M-- PS- PE Y+ PGP--- t !5 X- tv b+++ DI++ D+ G++ e++>e+++ h--- r+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
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Shog9 wrote: you've really got a thing for the older women, don't you! Great, I know my next question to you guys. And there is nothing wrong with older women IMO. Age is irrelevant, younger or older it means very little (obviously there are limits.)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: Age is irrelevant, younger or older it means very little (obviously there are limits.) Er, well... yeah. Ok, take Cher - try and tell me you don't feel a bit disgusted now when she shows her ass in a video. But she was sorta hot, back in the day...
[Shog9]
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Paul Watson wrote: Age is irrelevant, younger or older it means very little (obviously there are limits.) Er, well... yeah. Ok, take Cher - try and tell me you don't feel a bit disgusted now when she shows her ass in a video. But she was sorta hot, back in the day...
[Shog9]
Shog9 wrote: Ok, take Cher - try and tell me you don't feel a bit disgusted now when she shows her ass in a video. But she was sorta hot, back in the day... Err as I said, "obviously there are limits." Cher is past my current limit (28 years older or something is a bit much.) But really I think my thing against Cher is that she is so fake. She has not aged gracefully, she has tried to "turn back time"* but has instead outdone Madame Tausauds' best work. X| If you had to ask what my limits are then obviously on the older side it is flexible, but 45 is about as far as I can think of going. I know a very sexy woman of that age who any man in his right mind would be pleased to go out with. It is more her attitude though. *shrug* * A co-worker loves that song. Everyday I hear "if I could turn back time!" yodling from his desk X|
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
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Mazdak wrote: Maybe I think it is shameful Shameful to who (the naked person or the viewer?), and why? I am by no means the worlds greatest looking guy, but I am not ashamed of my body. It is mine and of my making and to be ashamed of it would simply be undermining to me. It reflects my habits and ways in life, and if there is anything to be ashamed of, it is those habits and ways of life, not the flesh result of them. My girlfriend has a beautiful body and has nothing to be ashamed of. How does another viewing it confer shame to anyone? I am just curious :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: Shameful to who (the naked person or the viewer?), and why? I think I feel shame myself,but as I said I don't have any good reason for it.I agree with you about it that there is no reason for that.I try to change my mind. ;) Mazy **"If I go crazy then will you still Call me Superman If I’m alive and well, will you be There holding my hand I’ll keep you by my side with My superhuman might Kryptonite"**Kryptonite-3 Doors Down